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Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

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Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby Andrew28lewis » 4 Sep 2012 14:05

I am new here and have been practiceing and although I am improving, I was telling a friend the princeible of how the lock works he asked me y not push the top pin under the sheer line but I have no idea

Sorry if it's obvious and a stupid question
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby BreezerFly » 4 Sep 2012 14:14

I'm guessing it'd be a tough deal considering there's springs too, and the bible probably can't contain spring, driver pin and key pin.
You can look at a picture/animation of it, several here on the forum. Or you can try disassembling a lock ;)
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby MBI » 4 Sep 2012 14:37

As the previous poster said, in most locks there isn't enough room in the bible for the spring, top pin and bottom pin. However, on a few older locks and cheaply made locks that can be done.

Definitely not a stupid question.
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby bembel » 4 Sep 2012 14:43

This is a known method. Google for "comb pick".
Of course it doesn't work with all locks, as already stated.
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby Solomon » 4 Sep 2012 18:56

As the others have said, comb picks. They aren't exactly renowned for their reliability but it can be done; most lock manufacturers take measures to prevent this but it can work on certain (usually low end) locks. Although even with locks that can be combed, the commercially available picks really suck. This type of attack is fended off by simple warding in the keyway most times... not to mention most padlocks that can be combed are almost guaranteed to be susceptible to other forms of bypass anyway, provided they don't use ball bearings.

As for cylinders, I've seen it done but not with the commercial picks that you can just buy off the interwebs. Not something I'd hold high hopes for, but it's neat if and when it works. :mrgreen:
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby Andrew28lewis » 5 Sep 2012 6:56

Thanks for the info


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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby raimundo » 5 Sep 2012 8:45

just to clarify

comb picks try to push all five pin stacks into the bible at the same time. doing it one stack at a time dosen't work or we would have heard of it here on lp101 before.
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby Solomon » 5 Sep 2012 13:44

raimundo wrote:just to clarify

comb picks try to push all five pin stacks into the bible at the same time. doing it one stack at a time dosen't work or we would have heard of it here on lp101 before.

It'd be handy if you could do that though! There'd still be a binding order but we wouldn't have to worry about security pins of any kind and the bitting wouldn't matter either, all you'd need was one pick and one wrench for all situations... although it wouldn't be much of a hobby then :mrgreen:
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Re: Can't you just push both parts of the pins down?

Postby BreezerFly » 6 Sep 2012 1:13

Solomon wrote:
raimundo wrote:just to clarify

comb picks try to push all five pin stacks into the bible at the same time. doing it one stack at a time dosen't work or we would have heard of it here on lp101 before.

It'd be handy if you could do that though! There'd still be a binding order but we wouldn't have to worry about security pins of any kind and the bitting wouldn't matter either, all you'd need was one pick and one wrench for all situations... although it wouldn't be much of a hobby then :mrgreen:

Hobby enough for me just trying to feel the binding order, etc. atm! :D
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