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Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

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Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Nitrosolid15 » 16 Nov 2012 21:17

Can i pick Padlocks like this With a regular diamond pick? or do i need a half diamond pick?

http://store.gsfasteners.com/images/p21 ... r_lock.jpg

Also i want to get this

http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-05L.html

but there is no half diamond.So will i have to get this ?

http://www.lockpickshop.com/MPXS-08.html

Is there even a difference between them? I really wanna start my new hobby and get good at but i need to know if im getting the right ones i need.Please help!

Thanks
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Re: Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Squelchtone » 16 Nov 2012 21:39

Hi,

It seems your question was already answered here:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=55928&p=406487#p406487

Either pick set will open locks, I'd personally skip the one that comes with the book. And don't get too hung up on having a half diamond or not having one. Make sure to use the Coupon code LP101 or LSI to get another 10% off.

May I ask why the absolute need to open Master padlocks? Are you trying to get in somewhere?

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Re: Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Nitrosolid15 » 17 Nov 2012 10:34

squelchtone wrote:Hi,

It seems your question was already answered here:
http://www.lockpicking101.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=55928&p=406487#p406487

Either pick set will open locks, I'd personally skip the one that comes with the book. And don't get too hung up on having a half diamond or not having one. Make sure to use the Coupon code LP101 or LSI to get another 10% off.

May I ask why the absolute need to open Master padlocks? Are you trying to get in somewhere?

Squelchtone



Thanks for the coupon i really appreciate it.The reason im asking this is because i want to make sure it will work when i try to pick a padlock i also want to pick door locks as well.Also,There really is no reason why i just want to start a new hobby and lock picking looks fun.It also looks like a very good skill to learn.What lock picking kit do you recommenced for a beginner like me?
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Re: Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Solomon » 17 Nov 2012 19:19

Nitrosolid15 wrote:Can i pick Padlocks like this With a regular diamond pick? or do i need a half diamond pick?

http://store.gsfasteners.com/images/p21 ... r_lock.jpg

You can pick any pin tumbler lock with a half diamond providing the bitting isn't too extreme. There is no such thing as a "regular" diamond pick, there are only half diamonds in varying dimensions.

Also i want to get this

http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-05L.html

but there is no half diamond.So will i have to get this ?

http://www.lockpickshop.com/MPXS-08.html

Is there even a difference between them? I really wanna start my new hobby and get good at but i need to know if im getting the right ones i need.Please help!

Thanks

There is a half diamond in that first set you linked. From left to right is a ball, half diamond, hook then snake rake. Their description is incorrect.

The second set is the exact same except it also contains a city rake and key extractor (plus an extra wrench, in a different width)... so you'd be paying double for just an extra rake, a different wrench and an extractor you'll probably never need. The city rake is very useful, I much prefer it to the snake but that's just me. You can buy picks individually and wrenches are easy as pie to make, so I'd suggest just buying the 5 piece set... make a couple of extra wrenches yourself and get a city rake to replace that ball with, cos the ball is essentially useless in my opinion.
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Re: Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Nitrosolid15 » 17 Nov 2012 22:46

Solomon wrote:
Nitrosolid15 wrote:Can i pick Padlocks like this With a regular diamond pick? or do i need a half diamond pick?

http://store.gsfasteners.com/images/p21 ... r_lock.jpg

You can pick any pin tumbler lock with a half diamond providing the bitting isn't too extreme. There is no such thing as a "regular" diamond pick, there are only half diamonds in varying dimensions.

Also i want to get this

http://www.lockpickshop.com/PXS-05L.html

but there is no half diamond.So will i have to get this ?

http://www.lockpickshop.com/MPXS-08.html

Is there even a difference between them? I really wanna start my new hobby and get good at but i need to know if im getting the right ones i need.Please help!

Thanks

There is a half diamond in that first set you linked. From left to right is a ball, half diamond, hook then snake rake. Their description is incorrect.

The second set is the exact same except it also contains a city rake and key extractor (plus an extra wrench, in a different width)... so you'd be paying double for just an extra rake, a different wrench and an extractor you'll probably never need. The city rake is very useful, I much prefer it to the snake but that's just me. You can buy picks individually and wrenches are easy as pie to make, so I'd suggest just buying the 5 piece set... make a couple of extra wrenches yourself and get a city rake to replace that ball with, cos the ball is essentially useless in my opinion.


Thank you so much.Now i know and i can buy with confidence.Also,I would like to know your opinion on this.Is it a good buy or are the regular kits better.This looks really portable.

http://www.lockpickshop.com/JPXS-6.html
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Re: Can i pick with padlocks with a diamond pick?

Postby Solomon » 18 Nov 2012 5:11

Nitrosolid15 wrote:Thank you so much.Now i know and i can buy with confidence.Also,I would like to know your opinion on this.Is it a good buy or are the regular kits better.This looks really portable.

http://www.lockpickshop.com/JPXS-6.html

Do yourself a favour and avoid those. Even for an experienced picker who can modify the picks appropriately, they're nothing more than an emergency better-than-nothing solution. This is one of the worst things you can learn to pick with, trust me on that. As for the portability, it's really not that much more portable than a small pocket set if you think about it. OK, you can't exactly slip a pick case into the knife pocket of your jeans... but it doesn't take up that much space, and besides, I'd sacrifice a small degree of portability for enhanced feedback and control a million times over.

Why the jackknife sucks for learning with, and for picking in general:

1) The weight and shape of the handle makes manipulation around keyway warding very clumsy, and the feedback is poor. Imagine trying to sign your name with a pen the size of a baseball bat. Yeah, it's like that.

2) The half diamond and hook require modification, and even then, they still don't hold a candle to individual picks. The other picks, while mostly not a bad selection, are pretty meh because of the maneuverability issue.

3) You only get one wrench. You can fit an extra one in under it so I would't put that down as a major issue... but it's worth noting though, cos if you're unable to modify the picks and add an extra wrench then it's almost completely useless.

More on the pick selection:

The half diamond shaft is far too thick and the tip is virtually non-existent, so it requires modification to get any kind of reach or feedback out of it. Even after modification, locks I can normally rake open effortlessly in seconds with a half diamond will put up a pretty good fight against the one in the jackknife. It's just too clumsy when angling and twisting around warding. If the user was unable to modify it, they'd be almost completely screwed.

The hook is too long to be practical. It's possible they do this on purpose so you can modify it to the dimensions you want, which is actually pretty cool... but if you're unable to, then you're not gonna get any use out of it whatsoever. Again, the shaft is too thick, and again, this is probably intentional. I imagine they're made like this because they're expecting people to be heavy handed with them. Anyway, same story... even after modification to shorten it and thin it out, it isn't very good. Considering SPP is slower and more controlled, the maneuverability isn't so much of an issue but it still isn't anything to write home about. You can't beat individual picks.

The half ball is horrible. It's essentially the half diamonds dim-witted cousin... I have no idea why they supply this in any set, the feedback is terrible and there's nothing you can open with one of these that you can't open with a half diamond so it's completely pointless (no pun intended). And when you put one in a jackknife, it makes it 5 times worse!! You could probably modify it into a very small hook though, but I haven't bothered with mine yet so i can't say.

As for the snake rake and city rake, no problems with those... apart from the dreaded maneuverability issue. They'll still open stuff, just not as nicely as they would if they were individually handled.

And last but not least... actually yes, least... the broken key extractor. You're never gonna need this, so why they include it is beyond me. You're more likely to need it for extracting broken pick tips than keys, cos any time I've ever come across a broken key scenario it wasn't coming out with an extractor like that.

Hope that's cleared things up for ya. On top of all the cons I've listed, they're also very overpriced in my opinion. The only good thing about them is their size and the fact that they look cool. Practically, they're not up to much. Although speaking of looks, the newer ones are all chrome, which I personally think looks tacky and cheap. I had one 7-8 years ago when they had a kind of matte grey/brushed steel look which was much nicer.
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