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What happened to this lock?

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What happened to this lock?

Postby Encinal » 13 Mar 2013 23:23

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Broken into?
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby GWiens2001 » 13 Mar 2013 23:41

I would venture to guess that it was taken apart and reassembled, but probably not broken into. If someone broke into it, they would probably be unlikely to reassemble the lock. And if you found your lock disassembled and whatever you had secured broken into, would you take the time to find all the pieces, reassemble them, then put the lock back in service?

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby daniel22747 » 14 Mar 2013 3:07

Are you talking about those little scar marks? If so it may have been opened with a shim.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby averagejoe » 14 Mar 2013 3:17

daniel22747 wrote:Are you talking about those little scar marks? If so it may have been opened with a shim.


Look at the tail of the S in LAS and you can see the brass rod has been turned because there is part of the S on it.

He was asking if his lock had been tampered with.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby Sinifar » 14 Mar 2013 7:50

First, this is a Corbin Cabinet Lock -- "CCL" products, (Sesamee) probably made in Wheeling Ill. This is the old Illinois Lock plant. Corbin Cabinet Lock is NOT the Assa - Abloy Corbin. It is a separate corporation.

Probably a series 500 Padlock. It has a 5 pin rekeyable cylinder with anti-picking pins / read that similar to Master's Bump Stop technology.

One cannot shim this one open as it has the locking stainless steel balls, with a jamb cam for the actuator.

What probably happened is it was repinned. Judging from the three "stake marks" on the pin, which holds the cylinder in. Somebody didn't do a very good job of "finishing" the job. This should have looked as good as when it came into the shop when it went out. The names on the lock are probably ownership of the lock. Many companies do etch or engrave their name on the lock to keep people from waltzing off with it.

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 15 Mar 2013 0:23

Sinifar wrote:First, this is a Corbin Cabinet Lock -- "CCL" products, (Sesamee) probably made in Wheeling Ill. This is the old Illinois Lock plant. Corbin Cabinet Lock is NOT the Assa - Abloy Corbin. It is a separate corporation.

Probably a series 500 Padlock. It has a 5 pin rekeyable cylinder with anti-picking pins / read that similar to Master's Bump Stop technology.

One cannot shim this one open as it has the locking stainless steel balls, with a jamb cam for the actuator.

What probably happened is it was repinned. Judging from the three "stake marks" on the pin, which holds the cylinder in. Somebody didn't do a very good job of "finishing" the job. This should have looked as good as when it came into the shop when it went out. The names on the lock are probably ownership of the lock. Many companies do etch or engrave their name on the lock to keep people from waltzing off with it.

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The CCL Sesame is a combination padlock, so it wouldn't have the cylinder you are talking about and therefor wouldn't need to be re-pinned..
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby yono » 15 Mar 2013 6:44

it looks like it endured a lots of abuses.. if it is still in working condition, congratulations.. :D
hi everyone, im glad to be a member of this very interesting community, our community of locksmiths. i hope i could help others, within my ability, and hope you can help me too, God bless us all fellow locksmiths.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby Sinifar » 15 Mar 2013 7:40

I would suggest you get a copy of the CCL latest catalog, and have a good long look.

Sesamee, is no longer just the three / four wheel padlocks you might remember. The name is now on ALL CCL padlocks, including the laminated padlocks, the solid body brass, and steel, including the "round body hardened steel" ones, and the hidden shackle (hockey pucks) type.

When CCL moved into the old Illinois plant the product line went thru a major rework. Even the TSA padlocks are now carrying the Sesamee name.

Try the web site -- www.CCLSecurity.com

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 15 Mar 2013 21:44

Sinifar wrote:I would suggest you get a copy of the CCL latest catalog, and have a good long look.

Sesamee, is no longer just the three / four wheel padlocks you might remember. The name is now on ALL CCL padlocks, including the laminated padlocks, the solid body brass, and steel, including the "round body hardened steel" ones, and the hidden shackle (hockey pucks) type.

When CCL moved into the old Illinois plant the product line went thru a major rework. Even the TSA padlocks are now carrying the Sesamee name.

Try the web site -- http://www.CCLSecurity.com

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Don't need to look at the catalog really. I am looking at a photo of the lock in question which is clearly the Sesamee combination lock. We were, I assume talking about this specific lock that the OP asked about & not generalizing about the range that they manufacture. I'm sure you too can see that it is the combination lock. That is why I mentioned your reference to cylinders and anti-bump pins didn't apply in this case. Don't want to confuse the issue.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 15 Mar 2013 21:56

Specifically the newer K437.

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby Sinifar » 16 Mar 2013 8:46

I may be old, but my eyes still work - that last padlock is more tapered in the body then the one on the top.

2 - That "pin" with the three stake marks is where the pin which holds in the cylinder is.

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby mhole » 16 Mar 2013 12:39

I have to agree with Cedry, the photograph shows a padlock with a flat top surface, and tapered/curved sides - clearly one of the combination range. The Sesame brass, key operated padlocks have a bevel where the front and back faces meet the top, which is clearly not present on the OP's photo.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 16 Mar 2013 21:46

If the OP would chime in we could confirm which it is.
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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 16 Mar 2013 21:51

Sinifar wrote:I may be old, but my eyes still work - that last padlock is more tapered in the body then the one on the top.

2 - That "pin" with the three stake marks is where the pin which holds in the cylinder is.

Sinifar


Uh no, that is what holds the combination chamber in.

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Re: What happened to this lock?

Postby cledry » 16 Mar 2013 21:57

Ah, here you go. The OP posted more about it on a bow hunting forum than he did here. He clearly says he uses a combination lock.

http://discussions.texasbowhunter.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6765510
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