unidentified lock on elevator and safe

[brayden8151]

Can someone please tell me what kind of lock this is and any information they have on how to pick it I have been trying to figure out what type of lock it is but with no luck. I most commonly see this lock in elevators but it is also a lock on some personal safes any help is much appreciated!

[zeke79]

That's a lock from the up/down company that uses the rickroll lock mechanism. You can probably do a google search for it and find some info.

[MBI]

I'll save you the trouble of googling for it.
Its a double shaft radial cylinder with a hardened collar and anti-pick Marzel vanes.
If you've tried to pick it without any luck, it's almost surely the vanes getting in your way. A guy named Marzel patented them ages ago (thus the name) and you used to only see it in his company's locks, but the utility patent expired back in the 70s or 80s so a lot of companies are now incorporating them into their products as well.

The milling machines that Marzel used in his production line had baseplates made from prefamulated amulite, he did NOT cut corners. The one in your picture looks like a generic version, not a name brand, so they probably just used a run-of-the-mill Bridgeport mill to cut them, which means the vanes might not be up to spec because of the relative motion of the spurving bearings (because of the lower quality baseplates they use). If so, it'll work in your favor when it comes to picking them.

You can see the Marzel vanes if you use a borescope, but that won't help you pick it. A number 42 pick is your answer for that lock; among other things it's specifically designed to bypass the vanes. Sometimes they can be hard to find as it's an item whose sales are restricted to locksmiths only, but if you can get your hands on one it'll open those locks in a jiffy. Very little (if any) practice is needed if you have the right tools for the job.

Sorry if this was a bit long winded, but I try to be as comprehensive as possible when I answer questions. It helps avoid a lot of back-and-forth with little questions and answers if I just provide all the info I can, right up front.

[Rewt254]

Thanks MBI, really good info!

I was actually just today wondering in an elevator about the lock there is. Atm I don't have a picture, but I've seen similar locks in the elevators here in Finland, although they are Abloy branded. They look similar outside, only difference is that the ON/OFF signs are in 180 degree angle and placed horizontally.

Do you have any idea if they are similar to the one in the picture? Obviously I haven't tried to pick one because I don't want to go breaking expensive elevator locks. And if it's true that these are similar, I don't think I'll be getting my hands on a 42 pick in any time soon...

[ThatOtherGuy]

I'll save you the trouble of googling for it.
Its a double shaft radial cylinder with a hardened collar and anti-pick Marzel vanes.
If you've tried to pick it without any luck, it's almost surely the vanes getting in your way. A guy named Marzel patented them ages ago (thus the name) and you used to only see it in his company's locks, but the utility patent expired back in the 70s or 80s so a lot of companies are now incorporating them into their products as well.

The milling machines that Marzel used in his production line had baseplates made from prefamulated amulite, he did NOT cut corners. The one in your picture looks like a generic version, not a name brand, so they probably just used a run-of-the-mill Bridgeport mill to cut them, which means the vanes might not be up to spec because of the relative motion of the spurving bearings (because of the lower quality baseplates they use). If so, it'll work in your favor when it comes to picking them.

You can see the Marzel vanes if you use a borescope, but that won't help you pick it. A number 42 pick is your answer for that lock; among other things it's specifically designed to bypass the vanes. Sometimes they can be hard to find as it's an item whose sales are restricted to locksmiths only, but if you can get your hands on one it'll open those locks in a jiffy. Very little (if any) practice is needed if you have the right tools for the job.

Sorry if this was a bit long winded, but I try to be as comprehensive as possible when I answer questions. It helps avoid a lot of back-and-forth with little questions and answers if I just provide all the info I can, right up front.

Didn't figure my first post on the forums (been lurking for a while, just decided to register today ) would be to ask a question.

Think you could provide a picture or link of the number 42 pick? Did a quick google search and mostly videogame stuff came up.

[Squelchtone]

Tread lightly guys, Advanced pick tools are reserved for the Advanced forums.

Squelchtone

The management

[ThatOtherGuy]

Tread lightly guys, Advanced pick tools are reserved for the Advanced forums.

Squelchtone

The management

I wasn't aware it was an advanced pick. Apologies. So seeing as how that is a restricted forum, what is the criteria for entry?

Was just kind of a vague pick name, so I was curious as to what it was

[MBI]

So seeing as how that is a restricted forum, what is the criteria for entry?

Was just kind of a vague pick name, so I was curious as to what it was

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[ThatOtherGuy]

So seeing as how that is a restricted forum, what is the criteria for entry?

Was just kind of a vague pick name, so I was curious as to what it was

viewforum.php?f=15

Thanks. Found it shortly after posting my reply