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Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

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Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Longhorn » 28 Sep 2015 6:34

Hi all, I am very new to lock picking and am having some problems on my progressively pinned locks by southord. So... A very newbie question

When I try to test the pins without tension the pins move freely up and down. As soon as I add any kind of tension the lock seems like it is moving out of alignment making almost all of the pins difficult to manipulate. I have tried using different degrees of tension including barely adding anything to gravitational effects right up to much former tension.
What I mean is that the pins seem to push the tension tool back up against its rotational direction when manipulated and the lock seems to almost shift slightly even when they don't set. This is making it hard to identify which is the binding pin as almost all of them feel much harder to push against than I would expect apart from the front one.

I have tried top of the lock tensioning to see if this helps but my tools are too long on the end inserted into the lock to make this easy and I have nothing to modify them with.



Is the above normal and just requires practice to get used to (which seems highly likely).
I am more than happy to spend hours plugging away at this until I have it solved but it is making my learning longer than I would have expected over the past three days
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby GWiens2001 » 28 Sep 2015 7:32

Sounds like your practice lock has spool pins.

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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Longhorn » 28 Sep 2015 9:23

Thanks for the response. I can't find anything on the Internet for this so am not sure whether this is the case

I suspect that it is simply a case of me being unskilled and making some form of error in my technique. I can't find any result for the st-23 on this forum but an Amazon review indicates that other people find it quite easy.
Will keep persevering and hope I get better or eventually swap to a different type of lock and see if I fare any better
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Korver15 » 28 Sep 2015 9:52

Longhorn wrote:pins seem to push the tension tool back up against its rotational direction when manipulated and the lock seems to almost shift slightly even when they don't set.


That sounds like spool pins. BosnianBill did a excellent youtube video explaining those. I used it when I started running into those. :D
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Longhorn » 28 Sep 2015 12:25

Great video. I think I shall be watching more of his going forward
I don't think I am getting what he refers to as false sets so not sure that the spool pin is the issue
I have a lock that I can rep in myself on its way. Tempted to spend some time playing with that and perhaps get some more 4 pins locks to practice on. Come back to the southord in the future
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby kwoswalt99- » 28 Sep 2015 13:30

Longhorn wrote:Great video. I think I shall be watching more of his going forward
I don't think I am getting what he refers to as false sets so not sure that the spool pin is the issue
I have a lock that I can rep in myself on its way. Tempted to spend some time playing with that and perhaps get some more 4 pins locks to practice on. Come back to the southord in the future

Spool pins are what cause the false sets. :wink:
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Korver15 » 28 Sep 2015 18:35

Longhorn wrote:I don't think I am getting what he refers to as false sets so not sure that the spool pin is the issue


A false set is when the plug turns a significant/ noticeable amount. Security pins cause false sets because the pins are no longer plain old brass cylinders, but instead carved up in order to make picking harder. Spool pins look like thread spools. :)

Here is a .GIF made by TOOOL explaining what you are feeling. The initial plug rotation is known as a false set. Hope this helps!
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Re: Southord st-23 progressively pinned locks - alignment

Postby Longhorn » 29 Sep 2015 4:47

Great GIF korver. I still have a lot to learn - just looking forward to being able to repin my own locks with different types of pins to see if I can learn this with certainty that it is what I am dealing with.

I seem to be having more consistency at the moment on the three pin lock so have moved up to the four pin for a bit.
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