Pin Width

[Malekal]

Hi Guys,

I'm keeping and amassing an amount of pins, from dissassembling locks, and I was wondering if the width of the pins are standard.
Height varies, but width? In general I mean 'cause I'm pretty sure some specialized locks must have some wider or thinner pins but those may not be common.

I'm trying to figure this out before I got too many in order to sort them accordingly.

Thank you!

Malekal

[GWiens2001]

Most locks of a variety will use the same diameter pins. You will find some exceptions, but most deadbolts, KIK cylinders, and euro-profile locks use the same size pins. With padlocks, if it takes a normal household key, it will probably use the same diameter pins as the above locks.

Many padlocks, such as Master and American, use a different size than the household pins. SFIC locks take yet another size of pin.

Gordon

[Malekal]

Ok, I'll use different rows then as the tray cabinet is 8 rows by 5 cols.

Thank you for the info.

[MBI]

I'm going off memory here but I think pins from standard household pin-tumbler locks are .115" in diameter.

SFIC are .108" or at least the A2 ones are, including Keymark. I mention Keymark specifically because I had one instructor at a Medeco factory certification class that insisted Keymark locks are drilled with a slightly different pin hole size than other SFIC locks so you could use a Keymark pin kit in other brand SFIC cylinders but you couldn't use a generic SFIC pin kit on Keymark. I've never found anything official in writing to indicate that is the case and I've compared them side by side, so I think he's either trying to drum up sales for the more expensive Medeco Keymark pin kits or he's just full of shit, because as far as I can tell Keymark are compatible with other SFIC pin kits. However I don't want to pass on bad information so someone please correct me if you have any reliable information demonstrating that I'm wrong about this.

Most cam locks are wafer, but some are pin-tumbler which use a smaller pin. Post office box locks are one type of pin-tumber cam locks you might run across.
The most common ones are .101" but I seem to recall having run across .095" as well but those were on less common Chinese generic locks.

[Divinorum]

I have also come across some RIM cylinders used on large garage doors that had smaller pins. They were similar to the post office locks mentioned by MBI.

[GWiens2001]

Think the Keymark thing is the SPACING can be different. Learned from Jeff that Keymark SFIC comes in two flavors... SFIC with SFIC spacing, and SFIC with normal mortise spacing, so the same keys can be used for both formats. But the SFIC pin diameters should be the same either way.

Gordon

[Malekal]

Wow thanks for all the info!

[jeffmoss26]

Think the Keymark thing is the SPACING can be different. Learned from Jeff that Keymark SFIC comes in two flavors... SFIC with SFIC spacing, and SFIC with normal mortise spacing, so the same keys can be used for both formats. But the SFIC pin diameters should be the same either way.

Gordon

Gordon, that is Kaba Peaks. Keymark uses normal SFIC spacing and depths.

[GWiens2001]

Think the Keymark thing is the SPACING can be different. Learned from Jeff that Keymark SFIC comes in two flavors... SFIC with SFIC spacing, and SFIC with normal mortise spacing, so the same keys can be used for both formats. But the SFIC pin diameters should be the same either way.

Gordon

Gordon, that is Kaba Peaks. Keymark uses normal SFIC spacing and depths.

My bad. See what happens without caffeine? Skipping caffeine... not even once.

Gordon

[Malekal]

I tried to measure the pins, then check for conversion online.

My Garrison Padlock has .115 pins and my locks have .150 pins

Is that possible?

[GWiens2001]

Yes.

Gordon

[Malekal]

Cool thanks.