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Billiard ball effect?

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Billiard ball effect?

Postby Jimy » 1 Apr 2005 19:36

excerpt from crypto,com:

"As the peaks hit the pin stacks, energy is transferred from the bottom pins to the top pins, much like the action of the cue ball in billiards. When the energy transfers, the top pin moves up while the bottom pin slows down, and a gap is created between the two pins. If the shear line is within this gap as torque is applied, it may set."

I understand that in pin-at-a-time picking, the 1st pin you set is the one that resists slightly when pushed up, due to its being pinched at the shear line by torque.

My Q's:

1) If the pinched pin stops the plug from turning, how is it that during raking the other upper pins get trapped in the shell by the plug, if the plug isn't turning due to the pinched pin?

2) Does the lock actually get picked one pin at a time while raking, with the rake just rapidly setting each pinched pin in the same order that they would need to be set singly with a hook?

3) If so, how vigorous does the raking need to be to produce this cue ball pin stack "bounce" effect while torque is applied?

4) Does the torque need to be extra light for this, or do you, say, pull the rake out quickly and a millisecond later apply torque to try to trap multiple pins in the shell?

Thanks for any help
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Postby digital_blue » 1 Apr 2005 20:48

One of a couple things can happen while raking and which is going on will depend somewhat on your technique.

First off, by applying light tension and brushing the pick back and forth gently you can often cause the pins to be lifted to the point where they hit the shear line. Since you are applying a very light brushing, not a strong upward force, you will not push the pin stack past the shear line (since it would require additional force to do so, and you are simply not applying enough force). The back and forth motion can cause each of the pins to become set in this manner. This technique has been refered to as raking, though if I recall correctly it is described as scrubbing in the MIT Guide.

Another technique often called raking or ripping is to make a very fast "ripping" motion from back to front (out of the keyway). This motion is sometimes combined with very light tension, or a bouncing motion with the tension wrench. The idea here is to cause the top pins to jump up due to the impact (thus the billiard ball analagy). It will also cause you to scrape a bit of the pins off in the violent action of ripping, so it is a bit more destructive than other methods. Some people seem to prefer to use this ripping technique with a somewhat heavier tension, and though I have not had much success with it, the theory seems to be that it works in a similar fashion to scrubbing. I have found that the violent action of ripping tends to cause me to overset pins.

Hope this clears the matter up some. No doubt there are others who will have more to add on the matter.

Happy picking! :)

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Postby vector40 » 1 Apr 2005 21:06

Heavier tension, eh? Usually I see tension in this order, from heaviest to lightest:

Manual picking

Scrubbing

Raking

Snap/vibrating pick gun
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Postby biggbabysweetz1 » 5 Apr 2005 4:52

i havent really read your post so im going to answer your topic. ive heard of the billiard ball effect many times and i have a device that sits on my desk in my office to which the aformetioned question applies to. simple science (i was awesome at science). im going to make an example and then im going to TRY to turn it ino a lock example. look at it this way for every action there is an equal and oposite reaction. say you have 3 balls (gosh you people have sick minds lol) two of them are touching each otherand another is away from the 2 if you supplied force to the single ball towards the pair the oposite ball would in turn gain that kinetic movement. EX. 0-------00 0>>>>>00
0>>00 0|00 this is the impact 00>>0 oposite ball going in same direction while center ball remains motionless this center ball acts as a bridge to pass the energy of the first moving ball to the one one the other side of "the bridge"

now ive looked into basic locks a little bit so im not sure if my explination is correct with this

were gonna focus on a lock with one pin turn your head to the right to get the idea ==|==@@ @being the spring = is the pins and | is the seperation between the two

now you have a pick or pick gun that is going to "snap" the center pin. go back to the tree balls thing if your confused.

the pick gun or pick is the first ball the center pin is the middle ball and the pin touching the springs is the third ball

P is the pick or pick gun in this diagram P ==|==@@ P==| ==@

i hope i havent confused the living hell out of you. but this is my explination for the billiard ball effect
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