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Double Trowel Locks

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Double Trowel Locks

Postby dcobalt » 24 Sep 2005 0:15

Hello.
I am a big fan of locks and security devices in general from Argentina.

I want to ask you about this lock in particular -EXTREMELY common here as outer door locks-, called "Double Trowel" by Trabex, the main manufacturer here.
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The fact is, I found NOTHING on Google about "trowel locks". It appears they do not even exist in your country, or any country other than Argentina for all I know. This is most curious for me, I would be grateful to anyone who can clarify.
You can find information on http://www.trabex.com/trabexing/ (English)

Thanks!
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Postby digital_blue » 24 Sep 2005 0:17

What exactly is "our country"? :P

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Postby sivlogkart » 24 Sep 2005 0:41

I could not find an exact match on that web site, but it is hard to search it. Can you upload a photo of the lock or key? As that would give us a glue.

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Postby acl » 24 Sep 2005 0:57

New one on me. Double bitted lever lock of some kind.Any chance of alook inside ?
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Postby vector40 » 24 Sep 2005 15:09

digital_blue wrote:What exactly is "our country"? :P


Argentina.

Agree with ACL, looks like some sort of double-bitted lever lock. Maybe four levers (on each side, so eight total).
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Postby Minion » 24 Sep 2005 15:24

Could it not also be a super cheap warded lock?
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Postby Shrub » 24 Sep 2005 15:26

A warded lock would have cuts on the side of the key not open ended ones,

Vec, the part in the middle looks like 2 cuts the same making it a 5 lever :wink:
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Postby Shrub » 24 Sep 2005 15:30

Saying that they are off set from each other there are 2 small wards on the hole but that it to make sure the key is inserted the right way, maybe you turn the key to unlock it and carry on turning to throw the bolt,

I guess he is from Argentina but he doesnt actually say that,
I am a big fan of locks and security devices in general from Argentina.
:lol: i guess you were both right, one for asking one for guessing :lol:
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Postby pinky » 24 Sep 2005 15:36

They look a little like the cisa double bitted lever locks, be nice to see inside to see if its built like a cisa or like a safe lock inside.
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Postby vector40 » 24 Sep 2005 15:37

Good point on the cuts; I missed the spacing.
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Postby pinky » 24 Sep 2005 15:43

the spacing gives little away, as the bolt thrower needs to be at least 1 of those cuts.
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Postby acl » 24 Sep 2005 15:49

Vector, i cant quite tell from the pic but id tend to agree with Shrub ,it looks like a 4 or 5 lever,the steps on either side of the key working a single lever .The lever lies either side of the keyway.I have seen a few safe locks that have two different lever packs on either side but there doesnt seem to be enough room for a separate pack underneath or to the left or right.
Ive got a few example in the van ill drag them out tomorrow and get some snaps.
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Postby Varjeal » 24 Sep 2005 19:48

I see no reference on the site to "trowel locks" whatever that means. However, I bow to the expertise of the folks in the U.k. in that these do appear to be lever locks. From briefly browsing the site it appears they offer a range of 4-6 lever configuration in different functions from straight passage to basically a double throw deadbolt.

Very interesting specimens to say the least. I'd be very surprised if anyone but the Argentinians (sp?) had made pick tools for these specific locks.
*insert witty comment here*
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Postby dcobalt » 24 Sep 2005 23:14

Thanks all for answering.
Aye, it does work pretty much in the line of lever locks, except it has these strange plates (pallets/trowels, "paletas" in spanish), and must be turned twice to move the bolt. If the bolt's retracted, a single turn will retract the spring-loaded whaddyacallit (the thing you move with the handle from the relative "inside", remember they're outer doors). So, you've got no handle to turn on the outside.

The pallets themselves are pretty much spring-loaded, so the locking mechanism tends to self-destruct on your face if you're not particularly careful about opening them.

I'll try and post a pick of the inner mechanism tomorrow. If it turns out it's just a fancy version of a lever-lock I'll probably set it on fire. Did I mention it's hard as hell to drill them?
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Postby Shrub » 25 Sep 2005 5:44

I want one,
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