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by **Dimmy Locks** » 22 Oct 2005 4:55

Could I make a humble sugguestion concerning where people post their questions/comments on bumping?

I've noticed that BUMPING threads are springing up all over the site, so would it not be possible, and more convenient that a completely new topic group be added to the forum index.. perhaps called, ummmm lets say, BUMPING <g>. At least while bumping seems to be the current hot potato.

And on the topic of bumping, (well while I'm here why not) I've grabbed a handful of new "Euro Cylinders", (same design as seen in the video, 2 keyways that operate a cam in the centre of the lock, found on many european doors) and have just bought 50 key blanks (actually incorrectly supplied by my supplier as I really wanted Yales).

My pet project is to come up with THE definitive bump key for this type of lock. All measurements, trough depths, riser heights, shoulder and tip adjustments and am prepared to use all 50 of the blanks to get it. I'll make notes on every try I make and its results.
Well, with 50 blanks I never wanted anyway, who's in a better position to waste all his spare time over the next couple of months eh? lol

by **sivlogkart** » 22 Oct 2005 5:43

That is a good idea.

by **quicklocks** » 22 Oct 2005 6:03

d0ded0 wrote:That is a good idea.

i second that

by **ThE_MasteR** » 22 Oct 2005 8:50

I has to be done, thanks for bringing that up Dimmy. Also, if we can make a Bumping Videos section, it would be great. I would post my bumping videos in there.

by **helix** » 22 Oct 2005 10:40

I personally think that bumping should not be in the open to all forums at all.

by **ThE_MasteR** » 22 Oct 2005 10:54

helix wrote:I personally think that bumping should not be in the open to all forums at all.

I agree. This should be in the advanced forums because newbies register here, not pointing anyone, say it on other sites, and it gets spred everyone around the net.

by **helix** » 22 Oct 2005 11:21

It is easy to get information anyway, but why make it even easier?

I can't think of one single person living in my street or even suburb, that I would be comfortable knowing that they had a few bumpkeys.

We wouldn't tell a poster the code to cut a grand masterkey for a building if we knew.

Why would we want to tell anyone how to make one for most of the buildings on that street?

by **Dimmy Locks** » 22 Oct 2005 12:02

I have no problem whatsoever if a BUMPING section was added to the ADVANCED FORUMS, so long as it was all in 1 place..... BTW, naturally that's under proviso I get to have access to the ADVANCED FORUMS. lolol

Footnote: taking a break from trying to make the perfect bump key and striker due to cartoon sized throbbing thumb.

by **illusion** » 22 Oct 2005 13:13

it is almost like the perfect bypass method, with the single restriction being different key shapes, and those nifty locks which are bump-proof.

Great fun to learn, but dangerously effective.

by **rakemaster** » 22 Oct 2005 18:14

I think you guys (and gals?) who think it makes one bit of difference whether bump keys are "allowed" here should spend some time visiting Earth and getting to know the place better.

Seriously, with all respect, this stuff is out there. It wasnt invented here. It's in LSS. Its on the toool.nl site, and even been on TV! You want to pretend it isn't? Or maybe pretend you know some superduper secret? Find, but get ready for some Bad News guys: its no secret. In fact NONE of the info on this site is at all secret no matter how much you think it should be, even in the ultra double secret advanced section.

Also if you dont believe its good to talk about known and new techniques for opening locks what are you doing HERE????? This is a site dedicated to, hate to brake it to you, discussing known techniques for opening locks and inventing new ones.

Rakemaster

by **chopitup** » 22 Oct 2005 18:31

I'd lean towards putting it in the advanced. Lockpicking is a skill that requires time and dedication to master, whereas bumping can be taught to someone with little or no knowledge of locks. Also, it is not like lockpicking in that bumping isn't really a hobby. I mean, who really makes bump keys to open locks for a hobby except those who already know how to pick locks? Yes, it's available elsewhere on the internet, but that doesn't mean we should encourage it. I'd be much more comfortable with bumping techniques in the advanced section.

by **TOWCH** » 22 Oct 2005 18:54

Limiting discussion of bumping to the advanced forums would have a similar effect to banning it all together. I don't think anyone in the advanced forums is confused by the concept. This doesn't sound like a call to relocate advanced information, it sounds like a call to hide the unpleasant fact that pin tumbler locks are based on a flawed design. While you're burying your heads in the sand, and trying to put other peoples heads in the same place, back in reality, TOOOL is doing what they can to draw attention to this severe flaw, so it will be fixed. Pretending it doesn't exist will not wind back the clock.

by **TOWCH** » 22 Oct 2005 19:03

Hmm, that came across a bit more confrontational than intended.

by **Buggs41** » 22 Oct 2005 19:07

Yes, info is out there. You can hear it on the radio in your car, You can see it on tv at home. You can even search for it on the internet.

Info, is info. That is how it should remain.

Specific info about how to exploit a locks's flaws should not be public.

Barry did not mean to invite all the world to this method of bypass. His intention was to bring it to light for the manufacturers.

Now we have every tom-dick-and-harry asking about 'bump' keys. I honestly don't think this was Barry's intentions. :shock:

by **toomush2drink** » 22 Oct 2005 19:17

Limiting discussion of bumping to the advanced forums would have a similar effect to banning it all together. I don't think anyone in the advanced forums is confused by the concept. This doesn't sound like a call to relocate advanced information, it sounds like a call to hide the unpleasant fact that pin tumbler locks are based on a flawed design. While you're burying your heads in the sand, and trying to put other peoples heads in the same place, back in reality, TOOOL is doing what they can to draw attention to this severe flaw, so it will be fixed. Pretending it doesn't exist will not wind back the clock.

Isnt this a lockpicking forum not a lock bypass or lock flaw exposure forum ?

If limiting talk on this subject is burying our heads in the sand why dont we discuss safes as well in the open sections ?
Any lock is of a flawed design if it can be beaten then, is it not ?

As much as people dont like rules and others setting boundaries, with out them society would not survive.

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