Classic lock problem

[Isakill]

Ok I have a problem. I sorta know how to fix it but I need pointers.



Now that you've seen the problem exactly how can I fix it?
In case you don't see it the problem is that after I shimmed this lock I removed the shim and turned the plug 180 degrees and well... the top pins came into the plug.

This lock is off of the trunklid of a 51 model coupe that the owner let me borrow to put a key to it. what I was attempting was turning it far enough to hopefully disengage the cylinder from the housing to remove it.

I can fix the pin problem with some time what I need to know is how to remove the cylinder so I can key this lock so he can have operating door locks for this classic car. if you need further proof I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I took pictures of the car. Destroying the plug or pins are obviously not an option.

[darrel.h]

You will need to take the lock apart and re-assemble it. This is the only way.As for auto locks they are not discussed in public forums. However, have you ever had any experience with auto locks? If not you shouldn't be fooling with them. They are extremely delicate and are damaged by the simplest things such as shimming and insertion of a key blank. I suggest you take this to a lockie and stop messing with it before you do more harm.

[lunchb0x]

use a pick to lift the top pins and turn the barel back a 1/4 turn.
take the lock out and pull it apart, to get the center barrel out you will need a plug follower (or use a drill bit) this will stop the top pins from falling out. you might need to use the shim to slide the center out and the outer barrel on to the plug follower to hold the top pins in place.
if you dont feel confident take it to a locksmith, will be cheaper in the end

[keysman]

is that a Ford? or Chrysler product ?

With out going into too much detail.....since we are not talking about how to defeat the lock..
Keep in mind gravity was your enemy.. that is why you have this problem..
Make gravity your FRIEND .. turn the lock upside down.. ( from the picture) and put the pins back in per a previous post..

else take it to the local smith and pay the price

[lunchb0x]

wether its uo that way or upside down there is still spring pressure, use a pick and push the first pin up to the shear line and then insert your shim, now do this for the next pin, do not push the shim faward untill the pin is raised otherwise it will catch on the springs

[stilte]

I really have to say... good luck, you'll need it. Something similar happened to me too, in the end I pulled the cylinder out with pliers and busting the springs.

[Isakill]

You will need to take the lock apart and re-assemble it. This is the only way.As for auto locks they are not discussed in public forums. However, have you ever had any experience with auto locks? If not you shouldn't be fooling with them. They are extremely delicate and are damaged by the simplest things such as shimming and insertion of a key blank. I suggest you take this to a lockie and stop messing with it before you do more harm.

I already knew that but being that I was included in the restoration of such history I thought it would be ok. experience in the auto lock part, I have some (yes emphasis is put on some) as I have taken apart a couple wafer locks. As for the lockie part I'm actually the only one in the area and this lock isn't as delicate as you'd think. It's a pin tumbler not a wafer. before anyone says anything impressioning wasn't the answer either because the pins were slightly frozen and had to be loosened.

is that a Ford? or Chrysler product ?

I thought I mentioned it but alas I didn't. It's from a 51 model Ford. and the way the pic was taken up means up.

I really have to say... good luck, you'll need it. Something similar happened to me too, in the end I pulled the cylinder out with pliers and busting the springs.

Thanks I really appreciate it, as for the springs... I'm not worried about those. I can replace them easily enough what i'm worried about are the pins and cylinder.

The owner isn't worried about time cause he has plenty of that. He just wants what I want. A working restored lock, and that's what I intend on doing once I figure out how to get the cylinder out of the housing. if you want more pics I can provide them.

Thank you for any help you provide
Isa