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Zeiss Ikon lock in TOOOL's new competition locks

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Zeiss Ikon lock in TOOOL's new competition locks

Postby zeke79 » 13 Dec 2006 23:10

I have viewed the video posted on blackbag and decided to break down some of these locks I have if they are more than just a standard 5 or 6 pin tumbler system. This lock is the zeiss ikon lock. I know how to pronounce the model but have no idea how to spell it so I will not embarrass my self trying.

Anyhow, here are some pics of the lock broke down.

Keyway shot to show warding etc,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon1.jpg

Key shots, displaying the keying and side keying,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon6.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon7.jpg

Here is a picture of the standard keypins,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon4.jpg

Here is a picture showing the coded sidepins and the inactive sidepins. The small diameter pins are the coded "top" pins and the large diameter top pins with springs interact with these. The larger diameter pins go into the plug point out. These if pressed out will lock into a sidebar type groove on each side of the shell.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon3.jpg

Here is a picture of both active and inactive sidepins in the plug.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v375/ ... sikon2.jpg

The lock is what I consider middle run on picking difficulty. The active sidepins can be a real pain to deal with though if they bind when a spool is in middle of being picked but will not bind before the extra rotation allowed by the spool.

Hope that makes sense, it is difficult to explain the situations you may run into on the lock unless you understand how spool pins affect picking.

Slight picture edit. -Zeke79
Last edited by zeke79 on 13 Dec 2006 23:21, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby unbreakable » 13 Dec 2006 23:14

Wow, awesome lock, sweet pictures, looks fun :D :D

Thanks for sharing,
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Re: Zeiss Ikon lock in TOOOL's new competition locks

Postby mh » 14 Dec 2006 1:22

zeke79 wrote:I have viewed the video posted on blackbag and decided to break down some of these locks I have if they are more than just a standard 5 or 6 pin tumbler system. This lock is the zeiss ikon lock. I know how to pronounce the model but have no idea how to spell it so I will not embarrass my self trying.

Great pics as always :)

Why do I doubt that you can pronounce Sperrrippenprofil.... ? :twisted:

Cheers,
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Postby Schuyler » 14 Dec 2006 7:35

I have picked this lock, as TOOOL US returned home with a sort of grab bag of Han Fey's locks.

I think this one may have been lacking something, though, as I popped it in under a minute. Same warding and all. I should open it up to have a look...
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Postby zeke79 » 14 Dec 2006 9:17

It may not be lacking anything schuyler. As we all know, some locks are easier to pick than others.

IF you do take it apart, remember that the active sidepins are located on the same centerline just almost 180 degrees opposite each other. This can make getting both of the active "top" pins in a bit difficult at times. You will also need a hollow follower which I know some do not have on hand.
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Postby greyman » 14 Dec 2006 17:52

Zeke

Thanks for posting that. It's an interesting lock. I'd like to learn more about Zeiss Ikon. I think they're kind of hard to get unless you're in Europe. Han Fey reckons they have many different types.

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Re: ZI

Postby mh » 15 Dec 2006 2:05

greyman wrote:I'd like to learn more about Zeiss Ikon. I think they're kind of hard to get unless you're in Europe. Han Fey reckons they have many different types.


They have...
http://www.ikon.de/
These days they are an Assa Abloy company, just like most of them...

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Postby f0ku5 » 15 Dec 2006 7:06

Unfortunately their site doesn't give you lots of information or fancy diagrams. Maybe try the following link (german only though, follow the pdf symbol for... pdf's).
http://www.schliessanlagen-ab-werk.de
They have a small overview about locks including ZIkon, Kaba, BKS, DOM, Winkhaus.
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