Stuck key and pins in cylinder

[justinthomas]

Hi,

So, the story goes: I was trying an excercise I saw on here about single pin picking. Using 1 set of pins only, then two, then 3 and so on to get used to the binding feeling etc.

So I put the second set of pins in, put the plug back in, went to take the key out and the plug moved with it.

Now I can't get the key out, nor move the plug.

Half of the first key pin is covered by the front of the hull which is stopping me from removing the key.

Is there any way I can rectify my stuuuuuupid mistake??
I've been trying for ages to get it out.

Cheers

Jus

[horsefeathers]

is it a rim cylinder?

If so, sounds like the top pin and maybe spring has fallen down into 3rd plug hole as you withdrew the plug slightly. Have you tried picking from the back of the cylinder, ie. try to lift fallen top pin back up past shear line? When clear push plug back in.

Same principle would apply for euro but far more difficult as you may have to remove the other side's plug.

regards

[Shrub]

You need to slide somthing down the side of the key and lift the pins up,

[justinthomas]

Hi,

I cant pick from the other side as te key is in the keyway. Sorry yeah its a rim cylinder.

In the dies, something like a cut out of a coke can maybe??
I have nothing else thin enough..

Jus

[Raymond]

You stated that this is a rim cylinder. Can you remove any sliding plate on top of the springs? If so, take everything apart this way. Also, try bouncing the top pin and spring back upward by slapping the top (spring retainer side) of the lock against a piece of wood while applying slight turning pressure or slight pressure outward on the plug. You only have to get the top pin that fell into the empty hole bact up to the shear line.
Good luck

[Raymond]

You stated that this is a rim cylinder. Can you remove any sliding plate on top of the springs? If so, take everything apart this way. Also, try bouncing the top pin and spring back upward by slapping the top (spring retainer side) of the lock against a piece of wood while applying slight turning pressure or slight pressure outward on the plug. You only have to get the top pin that fell into the empty hole back up to the shear line.
Good luck

[nothumbs]

A drink can may be too thick. You might find thinner shimming material in the security tag found in a CD or DVD package. They look like this:

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Snip one end off and you'll find a thin piece of metal foil that should work well for shimming.

[horsefeathers]

Hi,

I cant pick from the other side as te key is in the keyway. Sorry yeah its a rim cylinder.

.....oh yeah......my brain was out of action for a while following a hefty McDonalds.

[justinthomas]

Hi all,

I have a spare key and I've figured that the driver pin is resting on the key where there is no cut (in the 3rd hole where there is no key pin), so the pin is pushing on the spring about quater way up the spring retainer, thus not letting me slap it back to meet the sheer line to get out nor turn the plug.

Does thet make sense?

I have filed down an old key extractor pick and made it into a pin type pick which I can push into the back of the plug over the top of the key and reach the driver pin in hand.

Only difficulty is I have no room or leverage to move the pin back up or down to the sheer line.

I know its only a cheep rim cylinder but I need to rectify this mistake..

Thank you all for your help, I really appreciate it..

Regards

Jus

[Shrub]

As i said all the way up there,

Push somthing down the side of the key,

This usually consits of a feeler gauge cut on the end at an angle and then simply pushing it in moves the pins out the way,

Cheap locks is nothing your short of when you start trading as thats all you seem to pull out of doors so dont waste too much time either trying to sort this one out or worrying about making or leaving it unuseable,

With the price of a yale less than £5 its really not worth wasting time,

[Raymond]

A sharpened pick inserted through the back of the keyway might raise the top pin just enough to meet the shearline with the spring. A very thin, curved wire can push it back into the upper pin chamber.

Shrub? Out here in the old west we consider a Yale to be too expensive to call cheap. But, I only buy them when exact replacements are required. Storefronts use Y-1 (#8) and other higher commercial businesses use various sectional keyways and LFIC. What is the normal keyway for Yale in UK?

[Shrub]

1A is the yale keyway used most often and is also the most generic of them al being used on various cylinders,

I understand the cost thing because for me to try and fit a kwikset to a fdoor would make it so expensive a yale would be pennies in comparrison,

I noted that the OP was in england however so advice was easy to give as regards lock makes which is somthing that would be very hard to do for yourself, having at least a country on your profile tells us where we are sending advice and means we can talior it to suit the origin of the question,