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Messed up a cheap dead-bolt. Can it be recovered?

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Messed up a cheap dead-bolt. Can it be recovered?

Postby frostbyte » 15 Jun 2004 16:44

I picked up a cheap Zellers dead-bolt the other day, and I've already managed to "break" it. :roll:

I was taking it apart in the car, using a piece of rolled up Canadian Tire money (5 cent denomination) as a plug follower :oops: . (I was waiting with my wife and kid outside my sister-in-law's house for two hours and got bored.)

Not surprisingly when I tried to put the thing back together, the Canadian Tire money failed me and the top pins & springs dropped out. I was pleasantly surprised to find one mushroom pin, although I don't know which pin number it originated from. At this point, with no tools except for a knife, I decided to put the thing away and work on it later when I had more time.

Next day, at my Brother-in-laws birthday party, I again displayed great foolishness by deciding to put the thing back together sitting on a sofa, with half a dozen children running around the room. This time I had a pen and a pair of tweezers as well as the original 5 cent tender. Since I'm trying to spread the word about the value of lock-picking as a hobby, I decided to start by only putting back in two of the pins (not the mushroom top pin either) so that I could pass it around to a few coworkers etc that are slightly interested, and work it back up to the 5 full pins as they (and I) progress. Anyway, I put the 1 & 2 bottom pins into the cylinder, insert the key, rest it precariously on my knee, and then using the pair of borrowed tweezers I put number 1 & 2 springs and top pins back in place (using a pen inside the rolled up Canadian Tire money as a follower to keep them in their place.) At this point I was feeling really proud of myself. I picked up the cylinder (the one with the key in it on my knee) and gently put it into the lock without messing up the rolled up money this time, until it was in all the way, and rotated it so the pins were lined up with the top of the lock. At this point I thought I had it made, 100% done and ready to pick as soon as I returned to work and got the picks back from a coworker. Of course my daughter chose this time to get interested in something she could be potentially dangerous to herself and others, so I decided to put things away for a while. This is the point where things went sorta wrong. I tried to pull the key out of the lock. The cylinder started to come out with it. The key stopped moving. The cylinder stopped moving. Realizing something was wrong, I tried to push the key/cylinder back in. It didn't move. I gave up at that point.

When I had a chance to come back to it, I noticed that bottom pin 1 is unable to move upwards because it is hitting the lock's faceplate. It needs to move upwards for the key to come out. I'm not sure why it won't go back in, unless I put the wrong bottom pin in for pin 2 (although it was very smooth and flush when the key was in the cylinder) since the key is still fully inserted into the cylinder.

Outside of using a drill or dremel tool (neither of which I have) to just cut into the face-plate right above the keyway to give pin 1 room to move, is there anything I can do to fix this? Will this even fix the problem (since the cylinder is not going in either) :?:


Not that it is likely going to be of any use, but here is a picture.


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Postby frollard » 15 Jun 2004 17:05

with the back nut not holding the plug in, the plug moved forward, and the driver from pinhole 2 fell into the keypin hole of the plug #3....

unless you can pick it from the back you're boned.


I think.

on closer inspection, can you get the top cap off the pin chambers of the cylinder? if you can manage to get that off without wrecking it, able to replace it, then you could just pull the springs/pins out from there, then the plug would come loose.
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Postby Chucklz » 15 Jun 2004 17:16

Pop the clip off while you have the whole thing in a plastic bag. Springs wont fly everywhere, and you will be able to put it all back together nicely.
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Messed up lock

Postby Romstar » 15 Jun 2004 20:38

I wish I had seen this first.
Frostbyte is local to me, and on top of it, he's using a set of picks I made. Time to see if they REALLY work. :shock:

Either way, they other guys are spot on. The driver fell into the next spot on the plug. Either remove the cover from the top, or pick the thing from the rear and push them into the cylinder.

If you just can't get it let us know, and we'll clear you out no problem.

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Postby WhiteHat » 15 Jun 2004 20:47

this happened to me - use a deep hook to push the offending driver (now
in position 3) all the way pack into the shell - then pick the pin in position
2 - then rotate the plug before pulling it out - whatever you do, don't force
it or you will break your springs..

good luck!
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Postby frollard » 16 Jun 2004 1:18

wow, I was right...that 'thinking' stuff IS paying off!
The meaning of life, the universe and everything is 42.

Inflation however, may have changed this.
...
edit: yup, its definately 43 now
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Postby frostbyte » 16 Jun 2004 7:42

I originally posted this here at work last night, and while thinking about it on the drive home realized that it was top pin 2 dropping into hole 3 that was my major issue. When I got home, I connected via my 28.8 modem to see if anybody had suggestions, and sure enough, a screw driver prying up the cover (inside of a plastic bag - thanks Chucklz) worked, and it's back in working order.

Whitehat - I think I'm going to do this again intentionally in a while and maybe try it the way you suggested. It sounds like it would be more fun.

Romstar - sorry your picks didn't get a thourough work-out this time, but I'm sure if I keep messing around they'll be put through their paces before too long.

Thanks for your suggestions everyone!
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Postby WhiteHat » 16 Jun 2004 18:50

frostbyte wrote:Whitehat - I think I'm going to do this again intentionally in a while and
maybe try it the way you suggested. It sounds like it would be more fun.



ack! I hope you have spare springs because if it doesn't work.

I'd also suggest, that when (and if) you do it, you remove the key first,
and pick it, then rotate it.....*cringe* then pull it out and rotate it back
*cringe*.. that way, you can pick it from the front and it will be slightly
easier. use moderate to heavy tension because once you've shoved that
driver back up, you don't want it to come back down and break your
spring once you pick the remaining pin..... *cringe* a better Idea would
be to just put it back and practice like normal.... that's fun too! :D
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Postby frostbyte » 16 Jun 2004 19:02

WhiteHat wrote:ack! I hope you have spare springs because if it doesn't work.

I'd also suggest, that when (and if) you do it, you remove the key first,
and pick it, then rotate it.....*cringe* then pull it out and rotate it back
*cringe*.. that way, you can pick it from the front and it will be slightly
easier. use moderate to heavy tension because once you've shoved that
driver back up, you don't want it to come back down and break your
spring once you pick the remaining pin..... *cringe* a better Idea would
be to just put it back and practice like normal.... that's fun too! :D


I think I want to try it various ways. If i ruin a spring, I don't think that's a big deal. I'm sure I can drop into a locksmith in the area and ask for him/her to sell me a few. Besides, one busted lock is worth it to me if I learn something interesting in the process. (and then it'd be spare parts anyway.)
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