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removing core?

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removing core?

Postby echohtp » 27 Dec 2007 1:38

i have this doorknob/lock i got awhile back

how the heck do i remove just the lock i dont wanna carry that large thing around for practice.

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Postby poor paperclip picker » 27 Dec 2007 3:15

By "lock" I assume you mean the cylinder, correct??
Is there a small hole towards the base of the knob that has the cylinder? (part where you put the key in, not the button side)
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Postby MBI » 27 Dec 2007 3:46

That's an interchangeable core lock. They are designed so that the cores can be quickly removed for rekeying, without having to remove the knob from the door. To remove the core easily without damaging it, you need a control key. If you don't have a control key, you can use an IC tensioner and try to pick the control shear, which will allow you to remove the core. If you're unable to do that, there's always destructive methods.
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Postby muskratt » 27 Dec 2007 4:04

you dont necessarily need the sfic tool to get it out. the newer cores are not vulnerable to them anyways and that may be a newer core. you can pick it with conventional methods it is just alot harder to.
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Postby freakparade3 » 27 Dec 2007 9:09

muskratt wrote:you dont necessarily need the sfic tool to get it out. the newer cores are not vulnerable to them anyways and that may be a newer core. you can pick it with conventional methods it is just alot harder to.


Using conventional methods "harder to do" is a bit of an understatement. The chances of getting just the pins for the control picked without the other pins getting in the way is very slim.
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Postby echohtp » 27 Dec 2007 10:06

hm, seems alot harder than it should be, ill see what i can find, thanks all :)
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Postby niksoft » 27 Dec 2007 10:55

I'm with freakparade on this one, squelchtone gave me one of the original best cylinders to play with, picking it is no problem, picking the sheer line to remove the core, a whole different story, its many many times harder...in fact i have yet to successfully do it... so yeah, conventional methods to release that core, probably not the best idea. If you want the core, and don't care for the door knob, i'd go for the destructive method :) its more fun too ;)
Let the picking begin...
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Postby maintenanceguy » 27 Dec 2007 14:04

The older best IC cores had holes in the control sleeve (the thing you have to turn with the plug to be able to remove the core). There is a tension wrench that looks like a comb that can be inserted into these holes to turn the control sleeve. However, the newer cores don't have these holes.

If others have had luck picking these I'm impressed. With 4 pin stacks that can operate either the control sleeve or plug, that gives you 16 possible combinations. One of which will open the lock and one that will remove the core. But since we all know that there are machining imperfections, the pins will have a preference to set in one particualr position. If it's not the position you need them in, you might pick the lock a hundred or more times before you get lucky and have them end up at the right shear line.

About a week ago, I tried something. It worked.

I had a corbin IC core, not a Best but the theory is the same. Here's the core.

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To pick this, I simply glued the tension wrench to the control sleeve using some 2 part epoxy. I tried super glue but it wouldn't hold.

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It worked, I was able to quickly pick the lock to the control shear line. Although I picked this in my hand, I could have pulled the core once the sidebar was pulled in.

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Somebody asked about this ruining the lock. I used a tiny drop of the epoxy and after I pulled the wrench, it only took a couple of scrapes with the pick to get all the epoxy out.

One mistake I made was that I put the drop of epoxy on the tip of the tensino wrench and glued the pick to the control sleeve and not the plug. Once I had picked the control sleeve, I had to insert a second tension wrench to pick pins 1 and 6 to turn the plug. I'm not sure how I'd handle this next time but I'd do something a little different.
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Postby niksoft » 27 Dec 2007 15:52

Wow, cool post, maintenance guy :)

I am going to give that a go in the next couple of days, it will surely be interesting, and thanks for the tip :D
Let the picking begin...
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Postby muskratt » 27 Dec 2007 17:27

freakparade3 wrote:
muskratt wrote:you dont necessarily need the sfic tool to get it out. the newer cores are not vulnerable to them anyways and that may be a newer core. you can pick it with conventional methods it is just alot harder to.


Using conventional methods "harder to do" is a bit of an understatement. The chances of getting just the pins for the control picked without the other pins getting in the way is very slim.
i said "alot" :lol:
yea i have only gotten my best locks to the control sheer line twice. first time was pure luck but i got to see the pins so i could learn which to set how far. the second time i intended to get it open .
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Postby Raymond » 27 Dec 2007 18:03

Try approaching this knob from the back. After removing everything you can, you might be able to see the back of the core. You can then use needle nose pliars or a wedge to push on the core retaining lug. You might also be able to shim the control shearline.
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