My 50p Find @ Car Boot Sale

[Safety0ff]

They definitely look evil, they're all different sizes too!

[JackNco]

they are compensated, so the pin stacks are roughly the same size.

Stops u getting any feedback from the spring being compressed and also stops an attack which is restricted to the advanced forums.

[Tuniz]

that definately looks like a GEGE, an older one or you britts have different kind of cylinders over there.

They can be a bit tricky to pick at first but once you get the hang of the tension it´s actually a piece of cake (i don´t mean to brag! :O )

I pick the 7 pin model with 7 of those evil driver pins mostly in under a minute.

If you really want to try something hard after you´ve mastered picking it, try to get some "anti pick" pins. It´s a "pin in pin" and they use 2-4 of those in their security cylinders. Makes it roughly 5-10 times harder depending on the biting.

[Tuniz]

of course i couldn´t edit my post.

Anyways, here is a pic of 4 of those "anti pick" pins in a GEGE round security cylinder:

[SnowyBoy]

Nice diagram Any chance you could scan it though?

I re-pinned the cylinder today.....started with 3 drivers & I picked it quite easily, then i tried 4 & that's when it started getting a bit tricky. But with 6 i couldn't do it

The bogotta works well with 4 pins, but trying to single pin pick is a waste of time, because you get zero feedback.

The fact that the plug sits quite loosely in the cylinder doesn't help either.

[Tuniz]

Unfortunately i don´t have access to a scanner.

I do have some more pics of GEGE and ASSA cylinders though, but taken with my 2mp cellphonecamera. That´s all i can offer... for now

[amaze1]

You could always make an awsome cutaway if you never find a blank for that lock.

[Safety0ff]

Tuniz, wouldn't it be practicaly impossible to pick a lock with those anti pick pins if it didn't have master pins? Don't the master pins reduce the security by allowing the lock to open with the master pins stuck at the shear line? Or would the force applied by the springs be to great to allow the master pins to get stuck at the shear line?

[Tuniz]

Tuniz, wouldn't it be practicaly impossible to pick a lock with those anti pick pins if it didn't have master pins? Don't the master pins reduce the security by allowing the lock to open with the master pins stuck at the shear line? Or would the force applied by the springs be to great to allow the master pins to get stuck at the shear line?

The master pins do make it easier to pick those locks, but it´s still tough.

Picking it without master pins? I´ve done it but i can assure you it´s really tough.

I always end up picking all the serrated pins and have the "anti pick" pins left. That´s when featherlight tension, a steady hand and some luck comes into play.

When i get my phone back from the repairshop i´ll see if i can make a few videos with some GEGE locks, including one with those "anti-pick" pins

[SnowyBoy]

So what's the point of the master pins really then?

I always thought they were in there so that when the lock is idle, the cylinder won't turn off centre that tiny bit if the sheer lined up with the grooves in the driver pins.

[Safety0ff]

So what's the point of the master pins really then?

They allow for different key bittings so you can establish different levels of access. Not usually for one lock but like a but like in a building. Owner gets the grand master key that operates all the locks, the managers of each company division get master keys to their division, employees get the change key, etc.