Are these magnets? ( Mult-T-Lock )

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I'm new to the sport. I am awaiting an 8 piece set from LockPickTools.com and I have a Kwikset deadbolt along with a few padlocks I am going to start out with.

I have been looking at different locks lately and notice these wierd holes on my office key. The lock is a Mul-T-Lock brand and it seems to be a dimple lock. Are these little circluar holes magnets on the key? If so, is this type of lock even pickable with standard tools?

Thanks! I am so excited to get involved in what seems to be such a fun and popular hobby.

[image]http://www.grabup.com/uploads/5d86bc8080f3033c10cb1c7d37af0294.png[/img]

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argg.... here's the image

http://www.grabup.com/uploads/5d86bc808 ... af0294.png

[ElizabethGreene]

Hi!

The picture is kind of fuzzy, but I you have a dimple key. They are not magnets, just indentations cut with a ball shaped end mill on a very expensive key machine. What makes these special is that the pins engage in these holes on the flat part of the key, instead of the edge like a normal key. Mul-t-lock has a pdf catalog on their website where you can read more information. (That is unless the stampede of LP101 users crashes their server.)

They can be picked, but it is not a beginner's exercise. If you have Marc Tobias' LSS+, you can see a picture of what a homemade dimple key rake looks like in the case study of the $100,000,000 diamond theft. These are considered "high-security" on this site and we are not supposed to elaborate further in the open forum.

Good Luck, Have fun, and only practice on locks you own. Some high security locks commit suicide if they are opened improperly, and that can be difficult to explain to an employer or landlord.

-ellie

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Thanks Liz. I didn't plan on picking it. The design just intrigued me. I knew it was a dimple lock. I was just curious about the three circles up top further back on the key.

I plan on standard pin's for learning. Then moving up the chain as I progress. I have a kwikset that will allow easy re-pinning.

Thanks again.

[mhole]

Lousy picture!

Sounds like you're describing a mul-t-lock interactive, which has a floating metal pin in the place of the cut nearest the head of the key. I'm not sure exactly how these pins operate in the lock - I think they're intended primarily to make unauthorised duplication more difficult, by making a blank which can't simply be milled by an unscrupulous person. The keys also have pin-in-pin, which means each pin in the lock is actually two pins, on within the other. You can see the concentric cuts on the key.

[jpb06080]

The circle is indeed a floating pin used for key control. Instead of creating a wide variety of keyways, mul-t-lock can offer key control using this pin. This is similar to the slider on medeco M3, in that it doesn't offer much additional security, but it does improve key control and key blank availability.

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Lousy picture!

Blame the iphone

I did take a much… well, better picture of some nice little beginner locks i scored at the ReStore here by the office.

http://www.grabup.com/uploads/c04344c64 ... 14d682.png

Left to right: Kwikset with key ( erratic bitting ), Master Lock deadbolt, generic no name, schlage deadbolt, Kwikset deadbolt ( 980 series i think ), and schlage deadbolt ( 6 pin maybe ). All for only $6

That should give me a bit to play around with when my tools get here later this week.

[n2oah]

Sounds like you're describing a mul-t-lock interactive, which has a floating metal pin in the place of the cut nearest the head of the key.

Not necessarily. I have seen keys with either the first pin with the interactive element in it's place, or the second pin with the interactive element. In the OP's case, it is in the second position.