Too Easy?

[Itzal]

In an effort to practice, I thought I'd try db's Beginner's Lockpicking Exercise.

Unfortunately, the only locks I had around were padlocks. So I went and bought a cheap deadbolt from The Warehouse (Kinda like Walmart in NZ. Sells a lot of cheap crap). Easy enough to pull apart, small piece of metal to slide out of the way on top of the pins, So I pulled it apart, and set about putting back together as per the exercise.

Pins 1 and 2 were fine, but then I put the 3rd pin back in. The problem wasn't that I couldn't pick it anymore, but that it would only require 2 pins to be set to open. The 3rd pin was longer than the others, and when it was at rest, it was actually sitting at the shear line (or close enough to for the tolerence of the lock anyway). Same thing happened with the 5th pin.

So now I have a 5 pin lock that only requires 3 pins to be picked to open it. I didn't really expect it too be too hard, but that was a bit annoying. I'll probably put it back together using 5 short pins (2 sided deadbolt, I'll just steal them from the other lock) so I can practice picking 4/5 pins. I'm also going to see if I can find something a little better if I'm near a hardware store later.

Ever has a lock that was easier to pick than you thought?

[hydruh]

Ever has a lock that was easier to pick than you thought?

Happens a lot. I have a schlage that I can pick by inserting the hook - it's a good party trick. I have a Master 140 (with two spools!) that only needs two pins lifted - can pick it in 3 seconds if you know the trick - otherwise it takes you 20 minutes.

S

[apb]

I have a kiwkset "maximum security" deadbolt like this. Turn a pick (anypick)upside down so the flat edge makes contact with the pins. Push the pick to the back of the lock and lift the handle. Light or heavy tension and it works every time. Maybe I should bring it to bars with me. I mean come on, the women will be lining up for a master lockpicker right... right?!

[TheSnakey]

um is this out of the box or is it because it was pulled apart cause i had this happen to me so i asked on irc and got flamed and no answers where give

[Itzal]

Well, I had pulled it to bits, but I'm pretty sure I didn't damage it, so it might as well be out of the box. I haven't touched the other lock yet, so I'll see if that one is also easy tomorrow.

[cppdungeon]

try giving it a trickier bitting. for instance, long short long long short. it gets a lot harder to hit that tiny pin in the back...and it makes you a better picker without buying a ton of locks.

[Itzal]

Yeah, I can still use the lock by grabbing 5 randoms pins from the 10 to make something interesting that I haven't picked before, but I got a new lock yesterday anyway, so I've been picking that. Can do 5 pins so far (out of 6).

[raimundo]

Just put the long pin in the front hole, that should make picking it a greater challange.

[spoolspanker]

deadbolt with 5 security pins was easy....

but CAN NOT for the life of me get a brinks 5 pin brass badlock

[Satan130]

I have a couple of master locks #5. Maybe someone tinkered with them, or maybe master lock was just starting out and hadn't quite gotten it together, but it does not require any picking. you put in the pick all the way to the back, but in the tension wretch, apply a touch of tension, and the lift up on the pick.

BAM!

It's kind of funny

[cppdungeon]

a LOT of MLs are like that. even the ones with spools...Thats one of the reasons they make good beginner locks, but its also a reason to get a nice deadbolt; when its that easy you learn too much raking/"tricks" and not enough spp.

[Cuervogrisss]

Cvl is a spanish mark of locks,the first I opened was one of these,with 5 pins,y put the tension wrench,introduced a pick and it was open,without picking.Too mutch easy for 8 euros :S

[raimundo]

Pickers lift pins, a long pin that sits at rest on the shearline will frustrate most pickers for a while, because the pickshaft lifts it a bit.
I cant figure how anyone could tamper with a Master #5 as they are not possible to open and reassemble without damage.
Some of these other locks that appear to pick by the shaft of the pick may be doing something like the "overlifting" technique, or it may be masterkeying that is causeing it.