Interesting Lock I bought

[kapu]

Can anyone help me identify the manufacturer?
Also, I bought it because it looked hard to pick. And, it sure is. I can't... yet.
I'm thinking of putting it on the milling machine and seeing what it looks like
on the inside. Anyone ever picked this type of lock?
If there is no simple explanation, I will carefully dissect it and post my results.
The key has interesting angles, and I wanted to post more pics but it wouldn't let me.

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Looks like a knockoff Abloy Exec, possibly normal Disclock or Disclock Pro copy, though.

dg

[kapu]

Looks like a knockoff Abloy Exec, possibly normal Disclock or Disclock Pro copy, though.

dg

Yes, I got the feeling it was a cheap imitation of something else. Just because it was so cheap. But, it still poses a nice challenge. I can't pick it. Even though it was cheap, it feels really hefty and solid when using the keys.
I'm a newbie lock picker. And, I am looking for challenges as most locks are too easy to pick now. I can pick American padlocks, and Medico padlocks, and most every lock I have come across. But this one is really cool. Hard to crack this bugger.

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Well, you should know that it will be much harder without proper tools because it is a disc-detainer lock, not a pin-tumbler like you are used to. Unfortunately discussion on opening this kind of lock is restricted to the advanced forums.

dg

[Squelchtone]

Can anyone help me identify the manufacturer?
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ABA is the manufacturer. and that particular cylinder is a T-handle cylinder used in many vending machines.

http://www.abalocks.com/

This lock is in the "fabloy" category... (fake/knockoff/generic Abloy)

Abloy locks work very much like the wheels in a bank safe. So there aren't spring loaded pins to lift up with your lock picks. instead there is a stack of 7 to 14 flat round discs, that have different shapes on the interior diameter that match the different angles cut down the length of the key. If the key's angles match all the angles of the discs in the lock, a groove along all of the discs outer edges aligns, and a long metal bar called a sidebar is allowed to fall into this groove in the discs and the lock is allowed to turn all the way and unlock.

Wanna learn more about "disc detainer" locks? Read the Abloy papers written by Han Fey: http://toool.nl/Articles_by_Han_Fey

Here's an interesting photo of the lock and key you have and a real Abloy key.



You can see the real deal has some more stuff going on, and the generic one doesn't seem to try so hard. More than likely pickable, but as someone said, we don't talk about these locks in the public forums because they're used to protect tempting targets such as vending machines, washing machines, etc, so we could tell you how to pick it, but then someone else will find the forum and use the info for illegal means.

protecting the public trust since May 11, 2006,
Squelchtone

[kapu]

That it can't be discussed here is understandable. I am new here. I didn't read
a FAQ or anything yet. My bad. Thanks for the info on the lock.
Nice to see white hat mentalities predominate here.

The pic squelchtone posted of the Abloy key next to the ABA key is a pretty striking example of ABA's inferior quality. Lots more going on in the Abloy! I will honor this forum's rules and not post what I find out about the lock. Thank you for helping me know what type of lock it is, and what it is used for.