ICC core reassembly help please =P

[Baloopaloop]

Hello peoples, I have a few 7 pin best ICC cores, just to see alittle more about how the control key interacts with the pins compared to the operation key. Unfortunately there are like 20 bajillion pins that shoot out when you pull the plug
so there are 7 key pins, and 7 driver pins, and 7 little tiny master pins ( I don't know if you call them master pins if they're for this because does it really count as master pinning it making a control key?)

So, do you guys know alittle about driver pin heights and stuff, I was thinking that the longer driver pins would go next to the key pins, and the little tiny ones above them keeping the plug rotation from trapping and wrecking the pins, please help me out here, I'm new to the ICC cores so I could seriously use some guidence.

Thank you

[sfi72]

The 'master' pins go in between the key pins and the drivers.

[Baloopaloop]

That is what I originally thought, but wouldn't there be a spring up against the plug sleeve, that would damage the springs wouldn't it?

[sfi72]

That is what I originally thought, but wouldn't there be a spring up against the plug sleeve, that would damage the springs wouldn't it?

No, the pin stack should be tall enough to go above the plug sleeve.

[straightpick]

Actually, the "master pins" could go anywhere. It depends on how the core was combinated. I have combinated 7 pin cores that have had over 40 pins in them! You should have at least 21 pins. Lose any?

[mcm757207]

If it's a standard Best A2 system, the keying works like this:

The change key is the easy one. That's just keyed up like normal, so if you have a 7 depth a 7 bottom pin is used. Masterkeying is done as usual here, so if you have a 7 CK depth and a 4 MK depth, you would use a 4 bottom pin and a 3 master pin (4+3=7).

The control sleeve is 10 depths tall, so keep that in mind.

Let's say you decoded your CK and have a depth of 5 in a given position and your confident there is no masterkeying going on (if there are more than 3 pins in one stack it is masterkeyed), then it is pretty simple. Say your control key bitting in that space is 7.

First, add 10 to your control key bitting. That gives you 17. Now, subtract the CK depth from that, or 5, which gives you 12. That's your build up pin depth.

Finally, you need to add your top pin. To find that, you take the total number you've got so far (in this case 5+12=17) and subtract that from 23. That gives you a top pin of 6. The idea is that each pin stack in the end needs to add up to 23.

So, for this example of a 5 CK depth and a 7 control key depth, you would have the following pins:
6 - top pin
12 - build up pin
5 - bottom pin

Hope that helps!

[Baloopaloop]

Yeah thanks guys I figured it out last night, I don't have a key pin height template thing(not sure what they are called ) but with about a half hour of extra time and determination and a tweezers I got it all to work out, but now the picking is giving me problems, the feedback is really scattered and it's confusing me. I only have four stacks pinned but I can't pick it, which four pins usually is as easy as eating a popsicle but if you guys have any tips I would apprieciate it

[WOT]

That's not how you're supposed to take apart an Icore. You take it apart by punching out from the bottom.

There is a minimum of 3 pins per chamber for a single keyed stack. 4 or more for master keyed stacks.