Rotating Medeco Biaxial Aft Pins

[rrkss]

I bought another Medeco Biaxial lock and can pick it to sheer easily. I also can rotate all the fore pins with my hook with ease into the correct position. The lock contains two aft pins one left and one right. Both of them I can't rotate with my hook. Is there another way other than using a piece of wire?

[Legion303]

Try a different hook. I can rotate Biaxial pins with a short hook, although it's still a random raking progress in my case.

-steve

[ToolyMcgee]

Push on the front of the aft pins with a half dimond to the get them rotationally set. Pulling them into correct rotational position from behind with a short hook takes just the right tension and some repetition. The front is the large slope on the chisel of an aft pin, so pushing on it with a half diamond can be easier to control, especially under tension.

-Tooly

[rrkss]

Thanks, that strategy works, though I have not been able to pick this cylinder past 5 pins. thing has right facing aft pins followed by a left facing aft one, followed by a right facing fore pin. It been purposely pinned to give me a hard time otherwise picking gets boring fast.

[rrkss]

I found the perfect tool for pin rotation. Its the euro slimline hook from http://lockpicktools.com Never really liked the tools since they were too springy for my picking style but the shape, size and springyness works perfectly on these medeco locks. Still pick them to shear with a southord half ball and then do the pin rotations with this hook. Able to easily pick both my Medecos fully pinned with this.

[Squelchtone]

I found the perfect tool for pin rotation. Its the euro slimline hook from http://lockpicktools.com Never really liked the tools since they were too springy for my picking style but the shape, size and springyness works perfectly on these medeco locks. Still pick them to shear with a southord half ball and then do the pin rotations with this hook. Able to easily pick both my Medecos fully pinned with this.

I've been thinking about your method, and I'm wondering if you aren't in fact rotating the pins with the half ball, and setting the pins to shear with your euro hook. The reason I say this is because the half ball would be good for rotating, but I don't see you properly lifting pins up on a lock with a high-low bitting combination, the half ball is simply not "tall' enough to reach under and up to lift a pin. The euro hook however would be thin enough and "tall" enough to go under a low pin and lift a high pin into place.

I'll try both way out all week and see what works better. Maybe my bitting is just dramatically different from yours.

Happy 4th of July,
Squelchtone

[rrkss]

I've been thinking about your method, and I'm wondering if you aren't in fact rotating the pins with the half ball, and setting the pins to shear with your euro hook. The reason I say this is because the half ball would be good for rotating, but I don't see you properly lifting pins up on a lock with a high-low bitting combination, the half ball is simply not "tall' enough to reach under and up to lift a pin. The euro hook however would be thin enough and "tall" enough to go under a low pin and lift a high pin into place.
Squelchtone

Nope I do pick to shear with the half ball and use the slimline for rotation. One of my medecos has a 1 pin between two 4 pins and it is quite a challenge to lift the pin with the half ball but is doable due to the size of the pins in medeco locks. My other medeco has a 1 pin with a 5 pin directly in front and that 1 pin is the last pin in the binding order. Makes the lock quite a struggle to pick to shear. Used to use a peterson hook but found the half ball to be easier.

[ToolyMcgee]

As long as you have a method that's working for you. Though picking to the shearline first should be making the job of rotating pins harder. It's just easier to snag the sidebar legs on the false grooves when it's done that way. Do you know what keyways you are working with?

-Tooly

[rrkss]

As long as you have a method that's working for you. Though picking to the shearline first should be making the job of rotating pins harder. It's just easier to snag the sidebar legs on the false grooves when it's done that way. Do you know what keyways you are working with?

-Tooly

Yeah I agree that it should be harder to rotate the pins but if I don't pick to shear first, I can't get a clear idea of what pins need to be rotated. Pickign to shear first solves that problem since pins that are hard to lift are not rotationally set and allow me to rotationally set them, thus making them easier to set. I guess technically I do rotationally set pins in the process of picking to shear.

As for the keyways, I have absolutely no idea since I am no medeco expert, however I do have a picture of the two locks here with their corresponding keys next to them so you guys can get an idea of the bitting and possibly tell me what type of keys they use. The key for the silver lock does not fit the brass lock and the brass lock key does not fit the silver lock key. The brass lock keyway is much more restrictive. Both of them I pick with top of keyway tension.

[Squelchtone]

The left one is Patriot keyway and the box should say -PAS on it. What -_ _ S does the box on the right say? Example: G3S, B3S, X3S, S1S, X3S

Thanks,
Squelchtone

[rrkss]

The left one is Patriot keyway and the box should say -PAS on it. What -_ _ S does the box on the right say? Example: G3S, B3S, X3S, S1S, X3S

Thanks,
Squelchtone

The left one (Patriot) says 10W0200 - -05-PA

The right one has the part no 10W0200 - CS

[rrkss]

The back of the non-patriot key has a code that starts with WBS. Don't know if that has anything to do with it but I thought I might post in case you might now Squelchtone.

[rrkss]

Here is another picture of the locks in the picked position plus the tools I used to pick them. I also rotated to boxes to make the text on them clear.

[barbarian]

Does anyone know of a good (complete) listing of Medeco keyways with profiles ?

Anything I have seen seems to have only two or three listed and doesn't give pictures of the profile, just a view of the key.