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Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

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Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby Baloopaloop » 9 Jul 2009 22:31

Hey peoples. I've picked my biaxial easily quite a few times but for me the pin rotation is being tricky. I have a greater success rate when I rotationally set the pins first but I find that kind of tricky to do that. I'm working on getting the materials for making a medecoder but in the meantime does anyone have advice?
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby rrkss » 9 Jul 2009 23:19

I've tried many different methods and have come to like the counterclockwise tension method using top of keyway tension. When you pick counterclockwise, the sidebar tends to dig into the pins that are not rotationally set. Use heavy tension and push up on the pins. Pins that are really hard to lift up are rotationally not set. What you do is reduce the tension and use your hook to go to the back of the pin and pull forwards on the side. If you want to set the pin left, pull for the back right hand side. For a right pin, pull from the left.

What should happen is you will here a snap and the pin will become easy to lift when you rotationally set it. Then search for the next pin that is hard to lift and repeat. Once you have all the pins rotationally set, pick to shear and the lock should open.

As for picks, the two picks that worked best for me on my medecos after tons of experimentation were a half ball pick from southord (For shearline picking) and a euro slimline pick from lockpicktools.com (For pin rotation)

As for using a medecoder, its a great concept but is not needed to open the locks. I personally find it really hard to grab a pin with a small wire and rotate it and gave up with the groovegrabber/medecoder idea farely quickly. Sticking to a hook seemed to work better for me. The hook technique also works on the new medeco's with milled pins which the medecoder is ineffective against.

Here is an image of the tools I used to pick my medecos so you can see what type of hook seems to work best. I found something slimmer and springy to work much better than the rigid hooks you normally use.

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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby lock2006 » 10 Jul 2009 0:06

Well good work on picking this medecos locks i been having some problem rotating the pins,but will keep on trying now with this half ball pick For shearline picking and a euro slimline for pin rotation and let's see if this time i get it open
thanks for your info rrkss.
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby rrkss » 10 Jul 2009 0:11

I forgot to mention that the euro slimline is a short hook incase it was not clear from the photo
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby Baloopaloop » 10 Jul 2009 8:49

Thanks for the info :D I generally like to clockwise tension things but I figure I can rotationally set them, reverse tension and continue picking so it should work okay :)
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby rrkss » 17 Jul 2009 0:18

Any luck picking your biaxial yet? How many pins have you been able to successfully pick?
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby Baloopaloop » 17 Jul 2009 19:51

well I got the wire for the medecoder today so I'll be working on that soon. I've picked it with sidebar with five pins. Without sidebar fully pinned, easy peasy :) the sixth one hates me :wink:
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby lock2006 » 17 Jul 2009 23:45

Well my medeco lock has 6 pins I've picked it with sidebar with five pins i been picking now for about a week with 5 pins and sidebar in it
just using top keyway and short hook takes me about 4 to 6 minutes to get it open,i will be adding the 6 pins in it and see if i get it open so far so good.
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby rrkss » 17 Jul 2009 23:59

Sounds very good. I've found that in both my Medecos the 6th pin makes a huge difference. It is very hard to figure out if its rotationally set. What worked for me to learn how to pick it 6 pins is to pin the lock with all 6 pins rotationally set. That way you know how the lock feels when the sidebar is nuetralized. Pick it to shear and it should open. It has a very different feel than without the sidebar. Almost like picking an oversized padlock. Actually makes dealing with mushrooms a bit easier though you need slightly heavier tension. Once you are good at picking it with 6 pins with sidebar nuetralized, insert key and remove to scramble the pins and you will have a nice little challenge.
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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby SnowyBoy » 18 Jul 2009 8:06

I've got a 3 pin Medeco drawer lock here & I am ashamed to say I've not been able to pick it.

It hasn't even got any top pins! It's a biaxial type pin, but instead of the slit down the side it has a hole drilled in each at different levels. Very tough little lock!
What a load of old BiLocks!!!!

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Re: Medeco biaxial help please.... I'm soooo close

Postby Baloopaloop » 19 Jul 2009 17:24

well I have almost finished my medecoder :) so soon this lock will be conquered :D I'm super excited to pop it open for the first time :D
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