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Curious Observation

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Curious Observation

Postby rrkss » 18 Jul 2009 1:22

I just changed the locks on my front door and removed my old 5 pin Mortise Cylinder from service so I decided to pick it and gut it for fun. What I find interesting is that the lock will only pick in the clockwise direction. Even under heavy tension, I can't get a single pin to bind with counterclockwise tension. The lock is a cheap 5 pin schlage knock off with no security pins. I'm curious to why this is so. I am aware that I could pick it clockwise and use a plug spinner to solve the counterclockwise problem in the field but still leaves me puzzled as to why the pins don't bind.
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Re: Curious Observation

Postby Olson Burry » 18 Jul 2009 21:34

Without the lock mechanism attached to the back the cylinder should be free to turn in either direction, with the key that is easy to demonstrate, in which case it will pick in both directions.

What could be happening is that the first pin to bind anti-clockwise is the last pin to bind going clockwise and, it is a really low setting pin which just by inserting the pick is being over lifted. This is especially true when long key pins are towards the front of the lock. Very light tension and extreme care when using the pick might be enough to find out if this is happening.

There is also the opportunity to use top of keyway tension instead of bottom for a bit of variety. Top tension can help a lot trying to get under long key pins to shorter ones behind because it frees the bottom of the keyway for the pick to travel along.

The third option besides the lock not operating in that direction and already achieving an over lift on a binding pin is that sometimes when applying bottom of keyway tension the wrench actually snags on the bottom of the cylinder and digs in against the warding, giving the impression rotational force is being applied where actually it's just digging in or pushing up against the warding. One way to test that is to pick the lock clockwise then hold the back while you put the wrench in as if to go anti-clockwise, if it binds instead of turns after you've put some pressure on and released the back, that'll be the problem. Again, top of keyway tension can eliminate possible binding of the wrench against the bottom of the cylinder.

Hope that helps, keep at it :)
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Re: Curious Observation

Postby rrkss » 19 Jul 2009 1:43

I finally did get it picked counterclockwise using top of keyway tension. This lock is strange. With clockwise tension, I can spp it open in about 30 seconds and rake it open with my bogota in about 3 seconds. With counterclockwise tension, it takes about 2 minutes for me to spp it, and the lock won't rake open with my bogota. Wierd since there are no security pins what so ever. Its just a very cheap lock.
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Re: Curious Observation

Postby skylerorlando » 20 Jul 2009 14:07

I've noticed the same thing with an unused knob I found in our basement. It picks clockwise--locking it--but it doesn't pick counterclockwise(easily). I've opened it clockwise a few times, but only picked it once in a counterclockwise direction. Usually I hear four clicks when I release pressure, indicating(I think) that four out of five pins were set, but I think some were pushed past the shear line because I could never get the fifth to set.
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