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Best SFIC

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Re: Best SFIC

Postby shaothegreat » 9 Sep 2009 16:21

I don't know... I've now picked a Falcon, a KSP, and two Best cores and honestly, I seem to pick all of them to the control line much more easily than to the operating line. I've noticed that when I rake, I tend to pick them open, and when I SPP, I tend to pick to the control.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 13 Sep 2009 17:04

shaothegreat wrote:I don't know... I've now picked a Falcon, a KSP, and two Best cores and honestly, I seem to pick all of them to the control line much more easily than to the operating line.


Are you picking them in your hand or on a door?
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby thelockpickkid » 13 Sep 2009 20:36

If you are picking them in your hand as the last poster just asked, they are easier to pick to the control because you put pressure on the cam with your fingers as your grasping it to pick. As for the Falcon locks, I can pick those to the control all day long, the Best, they are a little harder if not seemingly impossible sometimes.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby shaothegreat » 14 Sep 2009 8:25

In my hand... I've been looking for a padlock or other fixture to put them in. If anyone has an extra SFIC padlock they'd like to sell, please PM me with details. Thanks!
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby ridinplugspinnaz » 14 Sep 2009 18:51

thelockpickkid wrote:I study Best locks, they are my favorite lock of all time, the lock won't open by simply picking it CCW, there is more to it than that, but your right on one point, it won't pick to the control line this way. I have a special way of opening Best locks, I figure I can open just about any in nearly 5 minutes or less, I have found a trick or two.


Don't get me wrong; in no way did I mean to suggest that picking a Best core is "simple". My comment was just to point out that it is much simpler to avoid picking the control line by tensioning CCW than by using other, more involved methods.


thelockpickkid wrote:If you are picking them in your hand as the last poster just asked, they are easier to pick to the control because you put pressure on the cam with your fingers as your grasping it to pick. As for the Falcon locks, I can pick those to the control all day long, the Best, they are a little harder if not seemingly impossible sometimes.


I'm curious, how did you reach that conclusion? In all the SFIC locks I've seen, the mortise cam's fingers are connected to the core's plug; it seems to me that if anything, putting pressure on the cam would be more likely to bind the operating shear line, and not the control shear line.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby ridinplugspinnaz » 14 Sep 2009 18:53

thelockpickkid wrote:I have a special way of opening Best locks, I figure I can open just about any in nearly 5 minutes or less, I have found a trick or two.


Would you mind sharing said tricks with the rest of the class? :D
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby thelockpickkid » 14 Sep 2009 21:08

ridinplugspinnaz wrote:
thelockpickkid wrote:I have a special way of opening Best locks, I figure I can open just about any in nearly 5 minutes or less, I have found a trick or two.


Would you mind sharing said tricks with the rest of the class? :D


yes I will, I have done this with two different locks so far, but unsure if it would work for all, I pick them CCW and then plug spin it to open, for some reason they sometimes pick easier this way!
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby thelockpickkid » 14 Sep 2009 21:14

ridinplugspinnaz wrote:
thelockpickkid wrote:I study Best locks, they are my favorite lock of all time, the lock won't open by simply picking it CCW, there is more to it than that, but your right on one point, it won't pick to the control line this way. I have a special way of opening Best locks, I figure I can open just about any in nearly 5 minutes or less, I have found a trick or two.


Don't get me wrong; in no way did I mean to suggest that picking a Best core is "simple". My comment was just to point out that it is much simpler to avoid picking the control line by tensioning CCW than by using other, more involved methods.


thelockpickkid wrote:If you are picking them in your hand as the last poster just asked, they are easier to pick to the control because you put pressure on the cam with your fingers as your grasping it to pick. As for the Falcon locks, I can pick those to the control all day long, the Best, they are a little harder if not seemingly impossible sometimes.


I'm curious, how did you reach that conclusion? In all the SFIC locks I've seen, the mortise cam's fingers are connected to the core's plug; it seems to me that if anything, putting pressure on the cam would be more likely to bind the operating shear line, and not the control shear line.


ok here is how, you know that Peterson makes the tension wrench for picking the control line right? Well, when the core is removed there is the cam piece that locks it into a padlock right? well if you put pressure on this while you pick, it is the same as using the special tension wrenches designed for turning the sleeve. I have had to do this a few times.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby Eyes_Only » 16 Sep 2009 16:40

thelockpickkid wrote:
ridinplugspinnaz wrote:
thelockpickkid wrote:I have a special way of opening Best locks, I figure I can open just about any in nearly 5 minutes or less, I have found a trick or two.


Can these locks be spun safely with a plug spinner on most keyways? I only have two "A" keyway SFIC locks where the bottom is open real wide and I'm afraid if I turn the plug completely upside down I'll lose some master wafers/pins.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby thelockpickkid » 16 Sep 2009 19:49

That I don't know, but it won't spin upside down, it will stop in the normal open position, is this what you mean?
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby Eyes_Only » 16 Sep 2009 20:55

No, if the bottom opening of the plug is wide as the diameter of the top pins, is there a danger of any master pins that may be in the upper chamber to pop out into the plug when the plug is rotated upside down?
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby Eyes_Only » 17 Sep 2009 10:33

Nm, I just found out I had the tools necessary to re-pin a IC lock so I bit the bullet and tried rotating the plug slowly to the upside down position and yes, one master wafer did fall out.
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Re: Best SFIC

Postby pjzstones » 22 Nov 2009 5:50

thelockpickkid wrote:
Eyes_Only wrote:For those who have the Peterson control sleve tension tool, how do you keep it from tilting and popping out of the holes of the sleeve? I bought them a few years ago but never could get them to work.


I made my own and I have found that it doesn't always have good results for some reason, mine doesn't pop out but it doesn't always turn the sleave on some locks.



do you have any picture off this tool. i've made a couple based on the peterson. still perfecting them.
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