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Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

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Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby pingable » 2 Nov 2010 12:15

Need advice. Looking at the Oxford Rota Force Floor Anchor System.
However, it's not really a perment solution as it's more a rental....

If I take a large 5 Gallon Bucket, filled with concrete and secure it, am I throwing security out the door.
I'm just using *the mass of the concrete* as the weight attached to the chain.

It's in a gated locked fence already. Just want to add another layer without breaking rules and defacing the parking property...
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby MacGyver101 » 2 Nov 2010 14:17

If you're pouring the concrete anyhow, it might be just as easy (and less expense/effort than securing a floor anchor) to just embed the end of a heavy chain into the concrete when you're pouring it? (You could put some bolts through the anchored end of the chain to make it harder to pull out.)

Just a thought?
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby JasonAller » 2 Nov 2010 14:52

You mentioned a fenced area, is there any exposed soil?

If so I'd seen a trick before that uses two dog leash anchors that easily screw into the ground to make a single attachement point.

I Googled around for a bit and found this camping security anchor page which demonstrates the idea nicely.

I didn't find a similar thing I've seen before for use with large dogs or horses where there is a single screw that has a top plate. Once the screw is driven in you drive a spike through a hole in the plate which keeps the whole thing from being unscrewed.
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby maintenanceguy » 2 Nov 2010 18:50

I used to pour concrete footings for a company that built radio towers. For the small towers (approx 60'), we would dig a 5' x 5' x 3' hole in the ground and then use a post hole digger to dig 4 holes in the corners of this hole going down another 4'. We put 1 length of rebar in the 4 post holes that was long enough to come almost to the surface of the ground.

The end result was a footer that was 3' thick and had 4 legs that reached down another 4' for a total depth of 7'.

If you want security, stick to your 5 gallon bucket idea (just dig the hole, you don't need a bucket) and add a couple of feet of depth with a post hole digger. Embed a foot of heavy chain in the concrete as the anchor and it would take a lot to pull it up.
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby Evan » 3 Nov 2010 0:24

pingable wrote:Need advice. Looking at the Oxford Rota Force Floor Anchor System.
However, it's not really a perment solution as it's more a rental....

If I take a large 5 Gallon Bucket, filled with concrete and secure it, am I throwing security out the door.
I'm just using *the mass of the concrete* as the weight attached to the chain.

It's in a gated locked fence already. Just want to add another layer without breaking rules and defacing the parking property...



How about making an inquiry with the landlord as to whether or not they are willing to install a proper bike rack for the tenant's use on the property...

As far as the ideas suggested by others, I only see those as causing you problems should anyone ever trip and fall on anything you put n the ground on your landlord's property even temporarily during your occupancy -- even if you obtain permission from the landlord to install such devices you will not be released from any liability which results from your installation...

Asking about a bike rack is a better long term solution here and could in no way result in you shouldering any responsibility if someone became injured on any of the other suggested improvements here in this thread...

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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby MacGyver101 » 3 Nov 2010 1:01

I'm not so sure that pingable is talking about digging any holes: I read that as "I'm making a concrete block the size of a 5-gallon bucket, so nobody walks off with my bike"?
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby pin_pusher » 3 Nov 2010 17:01

if you've a landlord as i do, putting a permanent structure as useful as a bike rack on the property would potentially have that cost removed from your rent...maybe i've just got a saint for a landlord, however.
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby pingable » 3 Nov 2010 21:40

Indeed, I was looking to put the concrete in a bucket...

Dare I ask, what do you guys recommend for a chain if I decide to Embed a chain into it....it would be like rear in concrete to a degree.


I was planning to buy the Oxford Anchor and just mate it with my exisiting chains.I have various Onguard chains...
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby illusion » 8 Nov 2010 16:31

pingable wrote:Indeed, I was looking to put the concrete in a bucket...

Dare I ask, what do you guys recommend for a chain if I decide to Embed a chain into it....it would be like rear in concrete to a degree.


I was planning to buy the Oxford Anchor and just mate it with my exisiting chains.I have various Onguard chains...


Depends what sort of motorbike really. I previously used a bolt-down Oxford ground-anchor and can confirm that despite my best later efforts, they are not easy to remove once installed. Assuming that there is a medium chance that your bike will be stolen, either install a proper ground anchor or save money to cover the insurance excess if it is subsequently stolen.

Nothing is 100% secure. Your weight idea is clever and will deter and slow the thieves down, however I'd really recommend bolting it down to the ground.
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby weilawei » 15 Nov 2010 5:47

One thing to remember about metal parts: if someone really wants to rip something out, chain slings (a static material) tend not to resist shock loading very well. I'm a climber and it's incredibly easy to generate extreme shock loads. If you want some idea of how serious I'm talking, check out this video: http://www.dmmclimbing.com/video.asp?id=5.

Those slings absorb some of the force themselves, reducing the amount ultimately recorded. The more something is able to stretch and transfer the force to something else, the less likely you'll break that component. However, you have to balance that with the risk of the material being abraded (as stretchier materials are often those that are easier to cut). Climbing ropes are sold as either static line (not suitable for catching a fall, only for raising/lowering systems) or dynamic line (for catching a fall).

Climbing equipment is generally rated in terms of the number of falls it survives. Rigging equipment often warns that you should be extremely careful about shock loads--because slings tend to fail. If you anchor something to the floor securely and you're worrying about anything more than a bolt-cutter, you've just given them a great anchor point with which to shock load a sling (and not damage the object it's securing).

Granted, most bike thieves aren't that interested--I'd be really surprised to find one that was. I'm talking about massive overkill situations. But if I was really worried about it, I'd say a really big weight isn't the most absurd idea I've heard. (A 5 gallon bucket of concrete doesn't count.)

A freestanding weight would make it difficult to apply a significant shock load without damaging an item of value (i.e., you need to supply multiple anchor points instead of only one) and if it's heavy enough, you'll need machinery (or a lot of people) to carry it off without attracting attention. That leaves cutting (either via abrasion or heating) as the primary means of attack on the sling. Additionally, that might shift the target to the locking mechanism.
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby weilawei » 15 Nov 2010 5:59

One last thing I forgot: if you're anchoring to something, be careful how you do it. You can easily magnify the forces by what might intuitively appear to be a good idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_death_triangle
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Re: Bike - Floor Anchor Systems

Postby femurat » 16 Sep 2011 2:24

I was going to report "krima" post as spam, but then I click the link and found out he was absolutely on topic... the link showed a 15 kg bin with some chains coming out of it.
Now I see the post has gone, so I guess somebody else deleted it... I don't know if it can be restored or not. :roll:
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