What kind of ASSA lock is this?

[keyma]

Hey guys,

i have finally picked the assa lock. by the way its a assa dp 10 or dp 2400 (i dont know the difference between this types).



but i have a problem: on gutting, a little waver jumped out of the cylinder, so i dont know where he come from. the lock have many masterwavers and i think the little friend jumped out from pin 3. but on pin3 there was already a masterwaver. do you seen masterkeyed assa-locks with 2 masterwavers on an pin? is it possible?

here i have a picture what i mean: look at the red marked area: there are the two masterwavers from the top of the cylinder. (on the bottom of the picture there are the bottom-pins, in the middle-row are the pins and over there the masterwavers. in the top-row are the sidebar-pins)

[femurat]

Great job. Since you're a beginner, nobody expected you to pick that lock.

There may be more than one master wafer in a chamber.
If you had the keys of this master key system, I'd suggest you remove the plug from the lock, insert one key and load the key pins. Once they're flush with the plug, you're done. Remove the first key, insert the second one and look if there's one pin that is no longer flush with the plug. This way you could easily see where the extra master wafer goes.
Since you don't have the key, it doesn't matter where you put it.

Cheers

PS: in the top row of your picture I see the sidebar sliders, not pins. I'm not mocking you, I tell this so you learn the correct term.

[keyma]

hey femurat,

Thanks for your Message

Unfortunately, I have no Master-Key, only one Key for another Lock from this Lock-System. But that Key doesnt work with this ASSA. Actually I wanted to build with the 2 locks an Master-Key for the whole System. But with the "jumped out Waver" its not so easy i think :/

Do you think, that the Masterwaver and Pins in the other Locks of this System are in the same constelation like these Lock? Or are the Pins & Wavers in an masterkeyed System in each Lock different (but functional with the master key)?

[femurat]

So you want to "escalate rights". Look up Matt Blaze's papers at crypto.org.

Good luck

[GWiens2001]

This is starting to sound like you are trying to access areas that are not places the management have authorized you to access.

Will be watching this thread closely.

Gordon

[keyma]

This is starting to sound like you are trying to access areas that are not places the management have authorized you to access.

there are no "management", because the lock-system is mine. its installed on my ground. i have one key for the system, but this key only works on one of my locks. the masterkey for all locks i have lost, so ive tryed to make an new.

momentanely i must unlock one of these locks with my key, go around and unlock the other locks from inside. thats laborious

[femurat]

If this is the case, it's easier to rekey the locks you haven't the key for, so they'll mach your only key left.
A locksmith could do this very easily. If you bring him the locks it would be very cheap.

If you had the needed pins, you could do it too, but be careful not to drop them lol

[GWiens2001]

This is starting to sound like you are trying to access areas that are not places the management have authorized you to access.

there are no "management", because the lock-system is mine. its installed on my ground. i have one key for the system, but this key only works on one of my locks. the masterkey for all locks i have lost, so ive tryed to make an new.

momentanely i must unlock one of these locks with my key, go around and unlock the other locks from inside. thats laborious

Thank you for the explanation. Can see you have been on this a while, but your comment on figuring out the master key worried me a little. We do get some new people here where we wonder, and we would rather err on the side of caution.

Good luck, and Femurat has the best suggestion about rekeying.

Gordon