Does Abus put false pins in their padlocks???

[quickpicks]

hello

I have 3 Abus No. 85/50 padlocks my dad got for me from his work.
I take them to my work area and feel the first two pins *click* WTF!
I try the second one it does the same, and the third one. When I slowly rotate the plug back, I can hear the first two pins fall into place. A few degrees later the rest of the pins fall into place. Could this be really low setting pins causing this?

[rakemaster]

If by false pins you mean spool pins, yes, abus does that.

Not sure exactly what your describing though.

Rakemaster

[quickpicks]

What I meant was that I only have to set the first two pins in the lock and it will open. I was wondering why theese 3 locks are doing this.

[master in training]

the locks could be bust, but if you said they all fall nto place when you turn it some more, it could be one of 3 possible things in my eyes;

1. the locks are full of gunk and now that you've turned them back so far that all the pins fell, it wont open so easily again next time.

2. if you touched those back pins at all with your pick, they may be low setting, this could be because its really badly keyed, or it could be master keyed once or twice and therefore the pins only need slight lifting.

3. the lock may actually be broken in some way, the driver pins may be wrong or something, or something may be snapped, so the plug is allowed to turn without actually moving the pins up.

these are just the things i can think of now, i've just woke up so imay be talking rubbish, i dont know, lol.

hope it helps, good luck picking them!

~ Master in Training ~

[Kaellman]

Since you can open the locks by lifting the two first pins, it can be low setting pins that causes it. The lock will most likely contain "false" pins and since you have three of em, why not make a cut-out?

[raimundo]

it is possible for pins to be set at the shear line just from the key being pulled out with a little turning tension. If you want to see pins set at the shear, look into an ace tubular lock and if its old, see if all the pins have been pushed up by the springs, some of them may be set on the shear,because the notch that holds the key in the lock until it returns to the locked position had eroded to a wider notch. It might also be possible to see this condition in a cutaway of some kind if the pins are of certain lengths/ I once found my apartment door in a picked condition and became very suspicious, then when I found it like that again, I looked at the key the landlord had given me, the deepest cut was at the tip of the key, and they got progressively shallower toward the bow, so that when I locked the door, as I turned to walk away and pulled the key out in the same motion, I was turning the plug, and pulling the key out at the same time. The key would come out because there were not enough tips between the cuts to prevent it. It was a landlord lock, so it probably had the shear line widened by flat filing the plug, one of the crummy landlordtricks that are used to make the masterkeys work without doing precision pinning. If you have pins set to the shear on a padlock, it might be a padlock with some spring tension on the plug, so that just giveing the padlock a smak would set some pins, but this would normally be in the direction of locking, not opening, In the case of the deadbolt on my apartment years ago, when I found that it was picking or allowing the key to be removed off of top dead center, I would find the plug picked, but in the locking direction and the bolt still thrown, so I am reasonably sure it was the key malfunction not some one with a pick, If someone with a pick was sofisticated enough to relock the bolt, they would not have left the plug in the picked condition.

[quickpicks]

I took the lock apart. All of the pins exept for the first two were very low setting, in fact the high setting pins were already at the shear line without the key even being inserted.