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ACE Cam Lock (with Chrome finish, very fancy)

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ACE Cam Lock (with Chrome finish, very fancy)

Postby schoolglutton » 10 Sep 2005 0:14

This is a bit of a downgrade in difficulty from my last lock, a Sargent 8200, with six challenging pins.

This little lock is a five wafer cam-lock. I opened her up and counted them myself. To tell you the truth, I was expecting to see some pins. I opened a cabinet some time ago for a hall director at my old university and it used pins (only 3). I just learned most cam locks use wafers and wafers are all the rage. I also only used paperclips this time. Even used some duct tape for the handles, felt like MacGyver. Boy, I loved that show. I also had a hard time gripping the thing, so I actually installed the lock on a cardboard box. Made matters easier.

I haven't seen a wafer lock before, so I was interested when I peered inside. No top pins or anything, just wafers. I thought, what about the shear line though? So as I stared down the hull of the lock I could see raised grooves at every 90 degrees. Ah, so cool. And because each wafer sticks out at the top and bottom, the wafer has to stay at just the right height in order to avoid hitting the grooves at the top and bottom. It looks like if I took the face off the cylinder I might be able to see the spring system, although one time I took a clasp off a pin tumbler and could never get it to go back on, so I'm a little wary.

Never really looking at the lever system before, I found two notched discs in the packaging that varied how far the cylinder could turn when using the key to turn the lock, either 180 or 90. Simple, but I was amused. Of course, when picking the lock, it wouldn't matter if you had the 180 disc in as it would still stop at 90, at least until you picked it a second time (because there are grooves at every 90 degrees).

Looking at this site: http://www.fortliberty.org/locks/secrets-of-lock-picking.shtml I think I can see how it looks inside. Funny though, it's not a double wafer exactly because I only had to pick one side; however, the wafers did stick out both ends of the cylinder. I didn't exactly let out a hooray when I saw all the army stuff on that site, by the way. I was, however, coveting the lock books they advertised. Someday . . . someday I will buy you.
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Postby Chucklz » 10 Sep 2005 0:51

From what I've seen out of some of those books, I think you would be better off reading here and saving up for a copy of LSS. Good job on the wafer lock. Even though the vast majority are easy, the do tend to require more tension, and a different "feel" to pick. Just FYI, not all cam locks are wafers. National makes a nice pin tumbler cam lock, and well, there are plenty of high security cam locks available as well.
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Postby schoolglutton » 10 Sep 2005 1:54

Yeah, I noticed that about the tension. What's LSS, by the way? I do have some projects I'd like to work on in the future. I'm in grad school, so time isn't always super available. Plus, since I'm in school that automatically makes me poor. One project is handcuffs. That just seems neat. Over the summer, I'd also like to teach myself safes. The downside with learning something is it can get expensive. I mean, to realistically look at safes I would not only have to get books, but I'd have to get some safe dials. I have seen them on E-bay for not too expensive. I think once I have a serious grasp on that I'll gather some intelligent questions and ask about your restricted forums. I would like to learn car stuff too, but I'd look like a dope practicing on my car in my apartment parking lot. This is a great site, by the way. I haven't seen anything else like it and have gotten some great feedback. If you ask me, there's something about opening a lock that puts it slightly beyond getting a ring off a complicated metal puzzle. At least that's how I look at it, very rewarding. Boy this stuff is fun.
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Postby Chucklz » 10 Sep 2005 11:09

LSS is Locks Safes and Security. It is a truly massive book put out by M. W. Tobias at security.org
So you are a grad student, why arent you in lab generating data now?

/kidding
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Postby n2oah » 10 Sep 2005 11:37

Like Chucklz said, not all cam locks are wafer locks. I own a very high security cam lock-- the ASSA Desmo, it doesn't have any regular pins, but it does have a two sidebars. :cry:
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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