Lockwood 110/40

[Pwnany]

Yesterday I was in a grocery shop and I saw a Lockwood lock which was on sale. It was only like $8 Australian so I got it. I think Lockwood is an Australian brand or it has a different name in America because I haven't seen anything about any Lockwood lock on this site and in Australia almost every lock on a house, school or even some business is a Lockwood lock.

Well anyways, here is the lock


I am almost 100% sure it has at least one security pin because when I try to rake it the plug turns but then it stops. Then If I lower the tension and just keep jiggling the pick inside the lock sometimes it opens.

Here is the key way


And here is the key


And onto my question. What does that little hole do on the bottom of the lock? It must have a purpose right? Because I really want to open this up to see if it does have security pins.

The key only turns 1 way (clock wise) and there is nothing under neath the shackle when its open.


Can someone please help me out.

-Pwnany

[UWSDWF]

Take a look at the new users section, Cheers,
UWSDWF

[Shrub]

The lockwood is a Australian lock i believe but has been seen elsewhere as most locks are,

They are on site here and there,

The small hole is to allow any water out of the lock,

Its not often spoken about so ill help you out and do a search myself for them on site,

[Shrub]

Hmm theres actually loads of threads on them or that mention them you just need to look around more,

This is the first thread i came to on your specific lock, it may clear your immediate issues up,

[Pwnany]

man... I feel so stupid now.

It's just that I have looked through the lock section a lot and never saw one thing about a Lockwood that I didn't think to search it.

I have looked at the new user guide line thing before but, I guess I just wasn't thinking straight.

Ohh and thanks for telling me what that little hole does.

-Pwnany

[lockjaw]

I am almost 100% sure it has at least one security pin because when I try to rake it the plug turns but then it stops. Then If I lower the tension and just keep jiggling the pick inside the lock sometimes it opens.

Wow! Another Australian!

I've contacted Lockwood (the manufacturing plant and customer service) and I've asked three locksmiths about the Lockwood 110 and 120 range. I was told by all sources that there are no security pins in any of the Lockwood branded padlock range. Do any Australians know anything about this?

Like you, I too thought they must have at least one security pin because they misbehave when picked. But it appears that they are pinned with regular pins.

The 110 and 120 range are not servicebale/rekeyable so you can't (non-destructively) open them up to verify their pinning.

If you look on the side of the lock you will see faint outlines of a series of small circles (you may need to polish the surface to make these visible). This is where the pins were inserted during manufacture. The holes are plugged with brass. I've been intending to try this for some time (but the drill press is packed away), you can center punch and then drill out these plugs. You will have to be conservative with the drill press so you don't drill into the spring and driver pin. Once drilled you can remove the pins and springs and settle the matter once and for all!

If you have the tools, skills and materials you could create a recess/cover for the pin holes so you can add, remove and shuffle pins for training purposes. I'm yet to do this so don't ask me how. Any ideas would be appreciated (I'm not sure if Illisuion's method of creating a rekeyable padlock will work on these heavy brass padlocks).

I would like to start a list of Australian locks and their characteristics for this forum (including pictures). I hope to start this in 2007 when I have (re-)set-up my workshop. Hopefully you and other Australians will be willing and able to contribute to the list.

Hope this helps.

[Pwnany]

Lockjaw thanks for the information!

Although I am still convinced there is at least one security pin so I think that drilling it out would be a cool thing to try. The only thing is on the side of my lock I cant see the marks you are talking about. I know what to look for but I can't see them. So how do you think I should polish it so they become more visible?

I would just try and sand it and stuff but the last time I did that to a padlock this is what happened. Before I sanded I could see the marks but they weren't very clear. so I sanded it which made it very shiny and smooth but then all the marks disappeared and there is nothing there anymore... Just shiny brass. So I would rather not ruin my chance of doing drilling it out on my 110/40.

So can you please verify how you would polish it up.

Also I think making a list of Australian locks and details about them is a great idea!

-Pwnany

[lockjaw]

I would just try and sand it and stuff but the last time I did that to a padlock this is what happened. Before I sanded I could see the marks but they weren't very clear. so I sanded it which made it very shiny and smooth but then all the marks disappeared and there is nothing there anymore... Just shiny brass. So I would rather not ruin my chance of doing drilling it out on my 110/40.

I know what you mean, it all 'blended' into the padlock.

So can you please verify how you would polish it up.

I would sand it only with the finest 'wet and dry' or I would use 'Brasso' and a cloth. Try Brasso in preference to 'wet and dry'.

Let me know how it goes.

[globallockytoo]

The lockwood 110/40 padlock comes from their import range, otherwise known in the industry as "Hong Kong Lockwood".

Their is a huge range of these padlocks from very small to very large. Lockwood Australia was originally owned by Ogden Industries, before being bought out by Assa-Abloy. They are now part of the Assa-Abloy Asia-Pacific group.

Ogden Industries, once controlled Lockwood, Efco, Whitco, Nylex and some other brands.

Efco was well known for it's architectural range and also included hinges, indicator bolts, castors etc.

Whitco is well known in the Australian market as a manufacturer of residential grade deadlocks and window locks. Whitco came out many years ago with the first range in Australia of surface mounted Sliding patio door products like the Sturt, Oxley and Forest. They are also the popular manufacturer of more commonly found security screen door locks called Tasman, which use lazy cam euro cylinders. Whitco's range of window locks, patio bolts and their first euro cylinder, used wafer (disc) tumblers. Later they came out with pin tumbler euro (yoke) cylinders on the same profile as C4, Lockwood's main generic profile to enable the security door locks to be keyed alike with the ever popular Lockwood 001 deadlatch. This bold move by Whitco, secured them an almost exclusive market share and effectively was responsible for the demise of the original Security screen door lock (I forgot the model number) which used brass oval cylinders with a pin protruding from the rear. They were exactly like 570 cylinders with z cams on the back.

It was rumoured, that this was the catalyst behind Ogden Industries buying out Whitco in the 1980's. In so doing, Ogden Industries decided to maintain both divisions, Lockwood and Whitco and ran them in competition with each other. Whitco appealed to the cheaper end of the market with Lockwood appealing to the higher end of the market.

I can go on if you like....but let me know if it bores you.

[lockjaw]

I can go on if you like....but let me know if it bores you.

The potted history is good -- I have some historical questions you may be able to answer.

Can you confirm whether it is true that no Lockwood branded padlock has security pins?

[stilte]

Can you confirm whether it is true that no Lockwood branded padlock has security pins?

You were directing that qn to me but here are some of my thoughts. I have the 120/40 and I could swear that it's got security pins. When raking, the plug will turn a little and get stuck.

Then again, I thought the 234/45 had spools because I had a hard time picking it. It was rekeyable, and when i opened it up, I was surprised to find they were all normal pins. I opened up an oval cylinder and found no spools either.

I can go on if you like....but let me know if it bores you.

Please continue, i would love to know more.

[globallockytoo]

I can go on if you like....but let me know if it bores you.

The potted history is good -- I have some historical questions you may be able to answer.

Can you confirm whether it is true that no Lockwood branded padlock has security pins?

No I cannot confirm or deny that. I can say that up until I left Australia, in my experience and practise, I have never seen a factory built Lockwood padlock that used "security pins" (I presume you are referring to mushroom drivers)

[globallockytoo]

About 40 years ago...Lockwood started putting longer drivers in their range of 245 & 247 padlocks to counter the combing phenomenon that was rampant at the time.

[lockjaw]

About 40 years ago...Lockwood started putting longer drivers in their range of 245 & 247 padlocks to counter the combing phenomenon that was rampant at the time.

Interesting. Did Lockwood originate the C4 profile? Is it coincidental that it is the same as the Kwikset KW4?

For the benfit of the beginners Globallockytoo is referring to "comb picking" which is not really picking but a bypass method (so we can't talk about it here). In any event I believe it is a dead method that is no longer useful for any Australian locks.

[globallockytoo]

About 40 years ago...Lockwood started putting longer drivers in their range of 245 & 247 padlocks to counter the combing phenomenon that was rampant at the time.

Interesting. Did Lockwood originate the C4 profile? Is it coincidental that it is the same as the Kwikset KW4?

For the benfit of the beginners Globallockytoo is referring to "comb picking" which is not really picking but a bypass method (so we can't talk about it here). In any event I believe it is a dead method that is no longer useful for any Australian locks.

From memory (dont quote me), Lockwood did originate their version of the C4 profile, but more because the most common profiles other than Yale and Schlage overseas, were Kwiket and Weiser (Weslock). The intention was to make their products at least able to be somewhat compatible with those brands, because alot of Weiser and Kwikset could be found in Australia. Kwikset and Weiser are able to be keyed to Lockwood C4 but not the reverse.

Combing is still possible on master keyed locks, because these cylinders usually include shorter driver pins, so there are more chances to "fluke" the shearline (like bumping).