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[kissnatcher1]

ok i know this is a topic for advance if it was picking but i would like to know how hard it is to replace the shackle as i come across these on a regular basis where the company will cut them of of the trlr and dont have keys?just asking how hard it is to replace the shackle as i can pick most already thanks james

[lunchb0x]

what model abloy padlock is it?

the padlocks i use, which arnt abloy are simple to change the shackle,you will need it open and where the shackle locks in there is a small screw, undo it and the cylinder will come out, then use a large flat blade to turn the cam in the padlock as if you are unlocking it but turn it all the way till it stops and then the shackle can be pulled out and replaced, do this with the lock upside down so nothing falls out of the padlock.

if its an older padlock you might have to drill out a retainer to remove the shackle

[nekret]

wait... you can pick most abloys? Or is there a model of abloy with a pin tumbler instead of the rotating disc system?

[bluestar]

All Abloy padlocks I've ever heard of had one of the 7 rotating disc tumbler systems or the AVA locking mechanism, Abloy doesn't use pin tumblers...

[Jaakko]

Okay, people can stop the talk about picking or this gets moved to the advanced sections and it is a pity

Now, as to your problem, it depends. If the padlock is PL330 or with a bigger number, it can be dismantled with a 2mm hex-driver when the lock is open. When you open the lock and lift the shackle out of its hole, it reveals a small hole that leads to the retainer screw. Just unscrew it and the drill protection plate comes off from the keyway by unscrewing it. After that you just lightly tap the lock cylinder out and when the ball bearings come out too, the shackle is free and can be removed.

If the padlock is PL220, PL230, PL218, PL3020 or something similar, then it can't be dismantled without breaking something and that is not a discussion for open forums.

The above instructions work only when you can unlock the padlock, so it requires picking and that I nor anyone else can talk about right here.

Be welcome!

[Jaakko]

All Abloy padlocks I've ever heard of had one of the 7 rotating disc tumbler systems or the AVA locking mechanism, Abloy doesn't use pin tumblers...

You are right about that The smallest amount of rotating detainer discs I've come across has been 7 of which 5 are code discs. The biggest amount I've come across is 11, of which 9 are code discs, although Abloy has made 14 disc versions of their locking mechanism for special purposes (military if I remember correct).

[bluestar]

yes, but unfortunately the 14-disc Abloys are only available in Classic/Profile cylinders, as far as I know. A Protec with 14 discs would be nice

[bluestar]

Oh, now I got it - I didn't mean systems with 7 discs but the 7 system families (Classic, Profile, High Profile, Exec, Disklock, Disklock Pro, Protec). Sorry I wrote that a bit mistakable

[Jaakko]

May I ask what is the difference between Profile and High Profile? Do you mean that the Profile is the key with plain C-look and High Profile is multiple grooved? If so, then I get it Never heard of such names, only Profile, although I have heard those in Finnish though...

The 14 disc version sure is nice and would be even nicer to have such lock and keys for that The key is little bit longer than normal Classic or Profile key thats for sure.

[bluestar]

The High Profile also uses the key profile for master key systems. The key profile at the tip of the key may be different from the profile at the entrance of the lock - the key can have grooves not running along the full length of the key. For example, the GMK has the groove running along the whole key, the master key has it only on the tip, and the user key has no groove at all etc. (Don't know if you meant that )

This system is standard in the Disklock (Pro) and Protec, where there's a profile running along the key which is checked by the profile disc at the entrance and a profile at the tip of the key which is checked by the profiled 0-disc.

The 14-disc keys are the same length, but the discs are smaller (0.9mm vs 1.3mm).

[kissnatcher1]

ok the 1st thing let me correct the info when i said i can pick most of them that isnt true i have the tools i need and have opened a few that i had back when i got the tool but lost intrest as it was very time consumeing"but was a challenge"now its a enforcer 341 the one i have in my hand anyway they cut it off with a grinder,i run across about 1-2 of these a week where they have left them on the back of trlr's and didnt leave keys and the companys just cut them off or cut the latch off.If i start picking these up do you think there would be any intrest on here for them and could i post them in general or would they have to go on advance?It would just be the locks not the tools or info to open them

[Shrub]

Shackles can be bought as a part, you will likely get your best results from visiting your local abloy dealer or check out your suppliers if trading,

If you are hobby picking them then simply welding the cut shackles back together would suffice but if you are sellign them on as second hand used locks you would need to not only service the shackle but also the rest of the mechs as well unless they are marked picking pracice only,
You should never sell second hand locks as new fits or new locks so i assume your not doing that,


The abloy classics can quite easily be picked but from there the difficulty increases somewhat so im guessing if anything its the classics that are being opened with such regularity but if not theres at least a few of our members that wil be waiting your inclusion to the advnced sections when you qualify,


If they are for personal picking practice i suggest forget it, the cost would outweigh the enjoyment from having a shackle in your lock,

I have to wonder why you dont offer to remove the locks instead of them breaking them, i would also like to see the bolt croppers they are useing to get through an abloy shackle,

[kissnatcher1]

well they would be for practice and they did use bolt cuters to do the shackle they used a grinder and wheel they melt like butter.and the reason i dont offer is 1st thats one tool i normally leave at home like i said i normally just carry around in the truck with me a large 20pc majestic set then a smaller 7pc so that and jigglers that i always have on me/files a few blanks and a dremal like tool,also a few locks that i pick up all over the place normally they are either broke lost keys or have been stuck out on the back of a trlr for a year or so without keys exsposed to the elements"have to do major clean up to get them off if they can be.and yes im just a hobbiest that has and will continue to help people out when its needed.I normally run across 2-3 people a week that have locked themselves out.About 3yrs ago i helped the iowa state police out as the officer was going to smash the window of a newer pick up truck because there was a child in it and the mother had locked hereself out with the truck off and the temp was about 18 deg"Thats cold"and the LS said it would be about 2hrs b4 they could get there.I happen to be fueling and seen it going on i asked them and the officer was surprised when i got out my other tools and bypassed the lock with a magic bar and wedge. he was very interested and he kept asking me question untill i agreed to seel him a spare set of jigglers and auto kit with a little instruction.so the info i get on this site is very enjoyable to find other lockies.i didnt even know about the site till this year.So thanks and keep up the great site

[Jaakko]

The High Profile also uses...*snip*

Ah, now I get what you meant Didn't know that they call that high profile...well, everyday I learn something

The 14-disc keys are the same length, but the discs are smaller (0.9mm vs 1.3mm).

1.3mm? I have Classics and Profiles the desk full and I measure 1.5mm every disc in depth and spacers 0.5mm. The boring in the inner cylinder is 19.5mm deep and contains 10 discs and 9 spacers, so I don't exactly get where your 1.3mm comes from?

[Shrub]

Not for discussion please, sizes etc are not for this thread,