lock numbers, e.g. 30/30

by **master in training** » 4 Mar 2005 22:10

ok, this may seem like a real noob question, but what do the numbers on locks mean, im guessing they are a measurement, like 30/30 on a euro cylinder means there is 30mm of actual pin tumbler lock each side?
is this right?

if so how can you have some with higher numbers one side than the other?

i've tried to search for this, but without knowing what to search for, its difficult to find anything meaningful.

thank you,

~ Master in Training ~

by **EvoRed** » 5 Mar 2005 5:30

Yes, a 30/30 is simply 30mm from one end of the cylinder to the centre of the cam, and 30mm the other. You can have various sizes. For instance, Asec produce 20 different sizes up to a 45/65, but list the 10mm cam measurement in their sizes, i.e. a 45/65 is listed as a 40/10/60...

So to stock all sizes, which you have to do, in silver and brass, that's 40 cylinders. And if you stock 2 or 3 of each cylinder then that's 80 or 120 cylinders in your van...

by **Rockford** » 5 Mar 2005 5:49

Don't forget the singles and thumbturns. Then do the same for Oval profile cylinders as well. Add in a mix of 5/6/11 pin and dimple key models - and you have a lot of metal to carry around.

I need to get a storage solution developed/built so I can find a particular size quickly - I take the cylinders out of their boxes to save on space, and write the size on the plastic wrapper (taking the cam size out of the sizing to keep it standard across the range).

Rockford.....

by **EvoRed** » 5 Mar 2005 5:54

Precisely Rockford, I was talking just double euro's but, as you say, throw in all the others and you've got quite a few cylinders to carry about with you!

I used to just throw all the cylinders in a box in the back of the van before I got around to putting them in order and, as you can imagine, it used to take an age to find the one you wanted!

by **EvoRed** » 5 Mar 2005 5:59

When I said double euro's I, obviously, wasn't talking thumbturns! Edit fuction is there but won't allow me to edit.

Is there anything worse than a bloody PC not doing something you want it to?! :evil:

by **Rockford** » 5 Mar 2005 6:06

I've mine in a couple of big crates at the moment, and it's a pain finding the right size. Thumbturns, singles and dimple versions are in a lockable cabinet.

I'm aiming to get some racking sorted in the van over the next few weeks, and I'm devising a slot type shelving system for the Euros to store them by size. Then plan to have a mesh/grille cover over the racking to make it hard for light fingers.

I'll post some pics when done.

If anyone has done similar, I'd be interested in seeing some pics.

by **EvoRed** » 5 Mar 2005 6:17

Good old British Gas racking Rockford, that's what you want! Basically, a whole rack is devoted to Asec euro's alone, stored upright in size order with their overall sizes on top.

Not ideal at the moment but at least when I want a 35/55 or something, it's narrowed straight down to the eight or so 90mm cylinders, of which two will be the size I want, so it's a 4-1 chance!

by **master in training** » 5 Mar 2005 9:02

ok thanks guys

that cleared things up nicely, just one more question, how can one side be longer than the other, does it just have extra metal after the pins and stuff on one side?

why would a lock need to be bigger one side as well?

by **EvoRed** » 5 Mar 2005 9:17

These are mostly used in UPVC doors and the doors come in varying sizes, resulting in differing sizes from the locking mechanism in the middle to the outside of the door. This measurement is, more often than not, different one side to the other as the locking mechanism is not truly in the centre, hence needing offset cylinders like 35/55, 40/45, etc...

Some, however, are truly in the centre so the measurements are equal and you can use sizes like 40/40, 45/45, etc... Every door you come up against is different so you just measure from the locking mechanism to the outside of each side of the door and fit the appropriate cylinder for as flush a fitting as you can get...

by **MrB** » 5 Mar 2005 13:28

OK, here's a silly question: Why don't they make the doors of a thickness to match with the standard sizes of the lock cylinders?

If the cylinders come in 5mm increments, and the door manufacturers must know this, then it would seem sensible to make the doors follow suit, you would think?

Maybe this is just a daft question like why is the grass green or the sky blue?

by **toomush2drink** » 5 Mar 2005 14:22

Upvc doors are made by many manufacturers so therefore they all differ a lot in the measurements. Think of it like car parts not one type of brake pad fits all. Also euro cylinders are fitted to deadlock cases and the doors they get fitted to vary to, they could be wood or metal and come in lots of different sizes.

by **master in training** » 6 Mar 2005 16:55

i just bought this lock from ebay http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5560765096&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOAB:UK:6,is it good for picking? i've never bought or seen a euro lock like this before, would it need some sort casing to be put in for picking, or is everything needed there?

could this sort of lock be repinnned as well, so that i can learn and advance that way or not?

Thank you for all your help,

~ Master in Training ~

by **EvoRed** » 7 Mar 2005 4:07

Depends what manufacture of lock it is to how difficult it will be to pick.

You don't have to put it in anything to pick it, just pick it, and watch the plug and cam turn...

And yes, it can be re-pinned, a search on here will tell you how...

by **Peaky** » 7 Mar 2005 8:40

Youngboyracers :lol:

by **master in training** » 7 Mar 2005 11:39

yeah, http://www.youngboyracers.co.uk as in my website... the name is because my friend and i were much younger than the legal driving age when we set up the site, it was meant for people under the legal limit, but still interested in cars.

as for the lock, what is it called so i can search for it?

lock numbers, e.g. 30/30

lock numbers, e.g. 30/30

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