Anker magnetic lock

[mh]

The organism that gives the A2P certification to locks is the CNPP.
All is in French. It's the equivalent of you UL 437, but there are several levels. The highest is 3 stars. I can give you a list of all 3 stars locks.

Here's some English info.
http://www.cnpp.com/pdf/SecurityLocks.pdf

However, I have strong doubts that certain Abloy locks would get such a low rating in these tests. Where did you get that '1 star only' info from?

Cheers,
mh

[jabial]

• 2010-90 6.139 LAPERCHE 80130 FRIVILLE ESCARBOTIN 03.22.60.31.00
• 5000 ET3/EF3 9.220 VACHETTE 10000 TROYES 03.25.42.30.30
• ALN 88430 9.159 VACHETTE 10000 TROYES 03.25.42.30.30
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• KLEOSTAR 7.88 PICARD 80210 FEUQUIERES EN VIMEU 03.22.60.27.40
• NP 8003-3GT1 30.06 METALUX 52115 SAINT DIZIER 03.25.05.03.86
• POLLUX 2000/2050 DP 10.51 POLLUX 78530 BUC 01.39.56.12.88
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• R 24.87 REELAX 93230 ROMAINVILLE 01.41.83.08.93
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• SERIE 70 1.126 BRICARD 80210 FEUQUIERES En Vimeu 03.22.61.28.88
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[UWSDWF]

It appears that no locks made outside of france make that list, odd.

[jabial]

It is a certification process that is only well-known in France. It is state-regulated. To get certified, a lock maker must apply. I don't think US lockmakers bother with it.

[n2oah]

It appears that no locks made outside of france make that list, odd.

Well, I guess it has no application in here.

[jabial]

OK, the A2P 1 star was the abloy exec.
I have been told by several locksmiths and non-locksmiths that the Protec is much more secure. It hasn't been tested for A2P but it has EN 1303.
I think I'll go for it.
Then only thing I don't like is that it's an euro-profile cylinder, so it's easy to grip and bend. I'll have to find a way to protect it.

[Schuyler]

I think you'll be very happy with the Abloy, jabial good choice.

And, as I believe I told you on IRC, if you want increased physical protection, you should go ahead an add a Drumm Geminy Shield to the equation. And, I believe if you just want to buy them both in one shot, you might have good luck getting the whole assembly from Han Fey.

[greyman]

I'd like to add my 20 cents worth here.

The Miwa 3800, if that was what the original poster was referring to, can only be picked if you neutralise the mangetic tumblers first. This can be done by decoding and making an appropriate make-up key. As long as there is still room after you put your make-up key in, the remaining 4 pin tumblers should not be hard to pick. If the poster was referring to the original Miwa 14 magnet lock, then decoding is all you need. Note that the new model Miwas are now using 5 or 6 pin tumblers, so it's probably not as easy to open these.

As for the Abloy Exec getting 1 star from A2P, ie 5 minutes resistance to attack, you have to bear in mind that that does NOT mean it takes 5 minutes to pick it open. As far as I know, A2P allows almost any burlary method - it's just a time rating. I have heard about a quick defeat for Abloy disklock pro type locks, but it's partially destructive. At any rate, not a suitable subject for the open forum.

Jabial - am I right about A2P allowing most methods of attack, i.e., not just picking etc for the rating?

Ciao

greyman

[greyman]

Further to my last post on this, I really do think the 3* A2P rating on the Cavith lock is rubbish. I think I know why it got 3 stars - it's because the standard tubular picks don't work since there are an extra 3 pins stuck down one of the keyway slots. If the LP101 guys got onto this thing, I'm sure you could make a special tensioner to fit the pins (they actually not hard to pick on their own and they will pick first, before the axial pins), so you could then pick the remaining 4 or 5 axial pins (can't remember how many there are). As I said before, a bit silly giving Cavith 3 stars but Abloy only 1 star. All depends on how you measure and what tools are allowed.

Can someone post a link to Cavith so people can see what I'm talking about? Many thanks.

[mh]

Can someone post a link to Cavith so people can see what I'm talking about? Many thanks.

http://protections-vol.com/cavith.html

I think these insurance ratings are mainly about destructive entry, less focused on picking or manipulation. To that extent, the additional measures for A2P*** (mentioned in the picture linked above) make sense.

Cheers,
mh

[jabial]

As for the Abloy Exec getting 1 star from A2P, ie 5 minutes resistance to attack, you have to bear in mind that that does NOT mean it takes 5 minutes to pick it open. As far as I know, A2P allows almost any burlary method - it's just a time rating. I have heard about a quick defeat for Abloy disklock pro type locks, but it's partially destructive. At any rate, not a suitable subject for the open forum.

It is, if we don't discuss how to do it.

I know that. I want a lock that resists well against burglars, not honest lockpickers that won't want to break in my home anyway :p
So yes, a rating that includes resistance to picking but not only that is a good thing for me.

Concerning the Cavith, well, I will believe it is easy to pick when I see it picked. Still, I think I'll got for the Abloy Protec.

Concerning the Shield, I will only buy it if I find a French distributor and installer, as I want somebody who comes fast if there are problems. Anyway I'm not specifically looking for a complete shield that requires a secondary key - I only want the cylinder to be protected against gripping and twisting, I don't need a gate in front of it.

[mh]

Anyway I'm not specifically looking for a complete shield that requires a secondary key - I only want the cylinder to be protected against gripping and twisting, I don't need a gate in front of it.

I'm sure you will find a lot of suitable products for this purpose, like this: http://www.ikon.de/index.php?key=ts_sch ... en&lang=en
Just make sure that the Protec key is no too thick.
A DOM IX lock would e.g. cause problems (not because the key is too thick, but because the keyway is not in the center).

Cheers,
mh

[Schuyler]

Concerning the Shield, I will only buy it if I find a French distributor and installer, as I want somebody who comes fast if there are problems. Anyway I'm not specifically looking for a complete shield that requires a secondary key - I only want the cylinder to be protected against gripping and twisting, I don't need a gate in front of it.

They key for the shield can be integrated with the head of the abloy keyblank, so you wouldn't need a second key. I wouldn't be shocked if there was a french distributor.

However, there certainly are other methods, as greyman pointed out.

[LockNewbie21]

Well if emharts where still in production ( my knowledge is they are) But noah did point out they could possibly still be.

But on subject there interlocking pins are beutiful in my opinion. I have not read fully on drill resistance, but surely are great. As far as getting keys would be the problem

So in this case i stronly agree that abloys would be a great asset to security(lockwise)

If they don;t sell/ service them, why not have a look into the evva line? MCS's are sweet, all thre keyways that i have seen are rediculous

[Schuyler]

Well if emharts where still in production ( my knowledge is they are) But noah did point out they could possibly still be.

But on subject there interlocking pins are beutiful in my opinion. I have not read fully on drill resistance, but surely are great. As far as getting keys would be the problem

So in this case i stronly agree that abloys would be a great asset to security(lockwise)

If they don;t sell/ service them, why not have a look into the evva line? MCS's are sweet, all thre keyways that i have seen are rediculous

Though, I'm sure some of us remember that CRAZY destructive defeat of the MCS that was posted here a little while back. Really freakin' wild. Not appropriate for public forum, I'm sure, but still, interesting to see.