Project Childsafe (FREE LOCKS!)

[frizzen]

I volunteer helping teach a hunter education class through my states Department of Natural Resources, and a 4-H group, anyway we got a box of those at the beginning of the year. Ended up having a few extra, I grabbed one to play around with a little and use as a training aid for the classes, and the rest are going to be given out to class next year.

As far as security, think ziptie on steroids. It's a tamper evident seal. It's a step between leaving a gun out, and being responsible enough to keep it in a safe and well seperated from the amunition. It is less of a joke than most "trigger locks" but it's still a bit of a joke. It is *much* better than having nothing on it, and it will probably stop most kids.

The one I got: Made in Taiwan, double sided with 5 wafers, laminated body, very restrictive keyway. Plastic covered shielded cable 'hasp' which will probably attract moisture like mad when the temperatures change. Latch for the chain hasp is a free-floating ball bearing so even when it is unlocked you have to fight with it to release. Not something I'd secure a firearm with!

Don't bother. If you want a free lock, go to a hardware store that sells padlocks and beg for the old display models instead, or go hassle some local lockie. If you want something to secure a firearm with, I'd definately go for something much better.

[TOWCH]

I took 5 of these home a couple years ago and don't feel bad about it.

IMO:
Free means free. The distributor knows the details. It's on their conscience if you're honest and they tell you to go ahead. Judging from what it says on tobias' blog, which way the deprivation of one of these locks will swing some kids fate is entirely speculation. For all we know, the person who gets told they're all out will go out and buy a real safe. Where-as, if he uses the taiwan junk his kid will turn around, come on here, make a rake from a paperclip and open it in 10 seconds.

I'm not even going to try to speculate on the twisted way they run this program. For all we know, if they don't clean up, that Brady woman is going to claim gun owners are irresponsible and have no desire to secure their guns.

I don't look gift horses in the mouth. The government and charities have ugly teeth.

[Shrub]

Sure you can look at it that way and your entitled to,

The way i look at it is the opposite, if somthing seems free its not, someone somewhere has paid for it not only in money but also time and effort,

I prefer to look at it in the way that those 5 locks (why 5? 1 not enough? ) could have saved 5 lives but greed saw to that didnt it

Just because somthing is free doesnt mean you take it, whenever i go to amsterdam with one particular mate he always gets loads of sauce with his mc nuggets, he never eats it and throws it away, he says its free so why not have it,
Ive been to amsterdam over 40 times now im sure, i go around 4-6 times a year and all this time i have never once told my mate, my best mate, the one who i was best man at his wedding and god father to his kid, ive never once told him that he actually pays for the sauce in amsterdam mc donnalds as i believe he deseves to pay for it and then throw it away,

Im prerty sure i could go down to the local std clinic and come out with a dose of the clap for free but im not gogin to do it am i,

[JackNco]

I took 5 of these home a couple years ago and don't feel bad about it.

IMO:
Free means free. The distributor knows the details. It's on their conscience if you're honest and they tell you to go ahead. Judging from what it says on tobias' blog, which way the deprivation of one of these locks will swing some kids fate is entirely speculation. For all we know, the person who gets told they're all out will go out and buy a real safe. Where-as, if he uses the taiwan junk his kid will turn around, come on here, make a rake from a paperclip and open it in 10 seconds.

I'm not even going to try to speculate on the twisted way they run this program. For all we know, if they don't clean up, that Brady woman is going to claim gun owners are irresponsible and have no desire to secure their guns.

I don't look gift horses in the mouth. The government and charities have ugly teeth.

im gonna do a 180° on this, i hold my hand up i was, wrong, i didn't put more thought in to it than the time it took me to write it and i probably should have. and after seeing how strongly some people feel about it and doing more thought that i really should.

I hold my hands up. should have given it more thought.

I have come to the conclusion that no matter how weak a a lock is, its still a lock. most small children will give it a tug then give up.

As a child i can never remember having no problem opening those "child safe" bottles of pills, i can remember adding medication from the vet to my first dogs food as i was instructed to by my mother. but even though i had no problem with them most kids would. They probably save thousands of children's lives a year. from parents leaving bottles on the side instead of out of reach.

So even if it is a crappy lock. its one more thing that will at least slow a child down before he redecorates his parents bedroom with the contents of his skull.

John

[RockInBlack]

Personally, I don't think anyone should have guns unless they use it to survive. But hey thats the second amendment right, to bear arms, but just because I can doesn't mean I should. If you have irresponsible people near your guns, get a gun safe. Guns are thousands of dollars, not to mention ammunition. You can't spare a bit to get a gun safe? If you would be in jail for the rest of your life if your little kid blew his brains out using your gun, shouldn't you use a nice, real safe to prevent it? Also, don't keep a full magazine inside or even anywhere near you gun, you idiot. If you could just hide your ammunition and rounds somewhere else, your little kid wouldn't be able to shoot it. Use common sense with dangerous things. Don't try to flame me if some ignorant idiot hid his gun in an obvious spot with a full magazine in it.

[Schuyler]

Personally, I don't think anyone should have guns unless they use it to survive. But hey thats the second amendment right, to bear arms, but just because I can doesn't mean I should. If you have irresponsible people near your guns, get a gun safe. Guns are thousands of dollars, not to mention ammunition. You can't spare a bit to get a gun safe? If you would be in jail for the rest of your life if your little kid blew his brains out using your gun, shouldn't you use a nice, real safe to prevent it? Also, don't keep a full magazine inside or even anywhere near you gun, you idiot. If you could just hide your ammunition and rounds somewhere else, your little kid wouldn't be able to shoot it. Use common sense with dangerous things. Don't try to flame me if some ignorant idiot hid his gun in an obvious spot with a full magazine in it.

suck it up and take some opinions that aren't your own. someone disagree with you does not make them ignorant. In fact, one might argue that refusing to take into account the opinions of your peers is a manifestation of ignorance. Unless you don't think these people are your peers, but that's a whole other can of worms.

[Tygart]

Personally, I don't think anyone should have guns unless they use it to survive. But hey thats the second amendment right, to bear arms, but just because I can doesn't mean I should. If you have irresponsible people near your guns, get a gun safe. Guns are thousands of dollars, not to mention ammunition. You can't spare a bit to get a gun safe? If you would be in jail for the rest of your life if your little kid blew his brains out using your gun, shouldn't you use a nice, real safe to prevent it? Also, don't keep a full magazine inside or even anywhere near you gun, you idiot. If you could just hide your ammunition and rounds somewhere else, your little kid wouldn't be able to shoot it. Use common sense with dangerous things. Don't try to flame me if some ignorant idiot hid his gun in an obvious spot with a full magazine in it.

I agree about you should keep your guns in a safe place. I would like to know what you mean by "suirvive". If I need to suirvive by killing a deer I will, and if myself or my neighbor is in danger I will use the gun there too.

Get to know your rights not just the second amendment, btw there is more to it then just owning a gun. READ.

Our rights are beeing taking away one by one and they have people bufflowd like you into saying "Just because I can dose not mean I should" People like you are helping them take our rights away.

[RockInBlack]

someone disagree with you does not make them ignorant.

I never said that. I meant, whoever is dumb enough to hide a gun with a full magazine in it, is ignorant.

[RockInBlack]

I would like to know what you mean by "suirvive".

Last resort. Killing another animal to live. The only time I would kill an animal. It sounds selfish, and it is, but that's just the way we are.

[Tygart]

I would like to know what you mean by "suirvive".

Last resort. Killing another animal to live. The only time I would kill an animal. It sounds selfish, and it is, but that's just the way we are.

Well if things get bad, its not the animals you will need to worry about.

This topic is really not ment for this site. I think we all should say what we want to say then drop it.

[freakparade3]

We all have opinions, their is no right or wrong, but this is not the place to discuss it.

[Tygart]

Well when it comes to the amendments, Americas rights, most importantly to protect themselves and their families there is a right and wrong.

Don't triad your freedoms for security.

[zeke79]

I took 5 of these home a couple years ago and don't feel bad about it.

IMO:
Free means free. The distributor knows the details. It's on their conscience if you're honest and they tell you to go ahead. Judging from what it says on tobias' blog, which way the deprivation of one of these locks will swing some kids fate is entirely speculation. For all we know, the person who gets told they're all out will go out and buy a real safe. Where-as, if he uses the taiwan junk his kid will turn around, come on here, make a rake from a paperclip and open it in 10 seconds.

I'm not even going to try to speculate on the twisted way they run this program. For all we know, if they don't clean up, that Brady woman is going to claim gun owners are irresponsible and have no desire to secure their guns.

I don't look gift horses in the mouth. The government and charities have ugly teeth.

TOWCH,

I could not agree more with your last sentence for the most part.

[BobbO45]

This thread has been going many different directions, but to get back to the locks themselves. . .

The lock was designed for guns, and meant for use in safely storing them so that a child cannot use the gun, accidentally or otherwise.

In this respect I believe that the lock is sufficient to prevent accidents with young kids (<10), whom it is intended for. This lock was not made to keep the neighbor's 19 year old from stealing your gun to use for a school shooting.

However, while I doubt seriously that a young kid could open the lock type that I have (double sided wafer lock w/small key way), this lock suffers from a major security flaw. The lock may be the ball-bearing type to prevent shimming, but it has a bigger problem.

I was experimenting with the lock, and after picking it a couple of times, I decided to use the key to open it and close it just to make sure everything was still working as it should.
I looked over and had two different sets of keys that fit the lock. The keys had different depths, so I just went ahead and tried one. The lock opened fine. Then, curious, I tried the other DIFFERENT key, and the lock open with very little difficulty. Surprised, I tried the first key again to test the lock, and again, no problem.

So, even if a kid can't shim the lock, clip the shackle, or is unable to pick the lock, all he/she needs is a similar key that fits the key way to open the lock.

For this reason I put absolutely no faith in this lock for protecting anything valuable, or for securing a gun in a house with a kid who is old enough or smart enough to defeat the lock. I would maybe use this lock in addition to a safe, or for transporting a gun. Period.

[freakparade3]

Well when it comes to the amendments, Americas rights, most importantly to protect themselves and their families there is a right and wrong.

Don't triad your freedoms for security.

You mentioned 2 things, one of the 2 no longer exists. I'll leave it to you to decide which one.