$25 Abloy Protec Padlock

[sfi72]

i think im going to buy this along with a disc detainer pick

You wont be able to pick this with one of the regular disk detainer picks. So, maybe you should get a cheap chinese disk detainer padlock as well.

i smell a challenge. I SMELL ADVENTURE!

No, its not a challenge...you can't use one of the 'normal' disk detainer picks on the lock.

[Dak]

Isnt the abloy protec a disc detainer lock style? wouldnt that imply that it could be picked with a disc detainer pick? please educate me I dont know much about abloy and am very curious.

[datagram]

Isnt the abloy protec a disc detainer lock style? wouldnt that imply that it could be picked with a disc detainer pick? please educate me I dont know much about abloy and am very curious.

It is a disc detainer lock, but it uses a "disc blocking system" that makes picking extremely difficult, many say impossible. Of course, this is in addition to being a high tolerance lock with false notches and other security features.

More info is available in Han fey's Protec paper: http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

dg

[Dak]

Isnt the abloy protec a disc detainer lock style? wouldnt that imply that it could be picked with a disc detainer pick? please educate me I dont know much about abloy and am very curious.

It is a disc detainer lock, but it uses a "disc blocking system" that makes picking extremely difficult, many say impossible. Of course, this is in addition to being a high tolerance lock with false notches and other security features.

More info is available in Han fey's Protec paper: http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

dg

and THIS my friends is what screams to me, "I double f$%*ing dog dare you to try and pick me"

i dont take that lying down. I am going to take a whack at it.

[SnowyBoy]

Isnt the abloy protec a disc detainer lock style? wouldnt that imply that it could be picked with a disc detainer pick? please educate me I dont know much about abloy and am very curious.

It is a disc detainer lock, but it uses a "disc blocking system" that makes picking extremely difficult, many say impossible. Of course, this is in addition to being a high tolerance lock with false notches and other security features.

More info is available in Han fey's Protec paper: http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

dg

and THIS my friends is what screams to me, "I double f$%*ing dog dare you to try and pick me"

i dont take that lying down. I am going to take a whack at it.

lol, ok. Make sure you film yourself doing because that would be the single most rarest peice of footage in the lockpicking community.

[LocksmithArmy]

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More info is available in Han fey's Protec paper: http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf
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WOW

after reading this i had to download all han fays work

toool has all but 1 that i have found
1 on the RKS...
if you were wondering heres a link to it
http://stantonconcepts.us/RKS/RKS-princ ... 20v1.1.pdf

ill continue looking for more just cause its interesting

[SnowyBoy]

[quote="datagram
More info is available in Han fey's Protec paper: http://toool.nl/images/8/8a/Abloypart3.pdf

WOW

after reading this i had to download all han fays work

toool has all but 1 that i have found
1 on the RKS...
if you were wondering heres a link to it
http://stantonconcepts.us/RKS/RKS-princ ... 20v1.1.pdf

ill continue looking for more just cause its interesting[/quote]


You should see Han's cutaway lock collection.

[mh]

IIRC, the reason they can sell so cheaply is because they have an international collector (not sure if he wants his name divulged, someone help me out) on board to help buy locks in bulk.

Don't worry, it's right at their homepage:
© Security Snobs a division of Novanix, LLC 1999-2009 in partnership with Han Fey Lock Technolgies.

Cheers
mh

[SnowyBoy]

IIRC, the reason they can sell so cheaply is because they have an international collector (not sure if he wants his name divulged, someone help me out) on board to help buy locks in bulk.

Don't worry, it's right at their homepage:
© Security Snobs a division of Novanix, LLC 1999-2009 in partnership with Han Fey Lock Technolgies.

Cheers
mh

There are other users of this forum who supply them also.

[mitch.capper]

Han also has all of his articles on his website at: http://hanfeylocktechnologies.com/articles.php

[Dak]

just ordered the lock and the pick.

[subver]

just ordered the lock and the pick.

What pick?

[Dak]

disc detainer pick. I know everyone here says I wont be able to pick it with that pick, but the lock is a disc detainer and if Im going to try to pick a lock that hasnt been picked yet i probably ought to use a pick meant for that style of lock.

[Squelchtone]

disc detainer pick. I know everyone here says I wont be able to pick it with that pick, but the lock is a disc detainer and if Im going to try to pick a lock that hasnt been picked yet i probably ought to use a pick meant for that style of lock.

That style pick is meant for the 1907 thru ~1980 Abloy and knock-off disc detainer mechanisms. The Abloy Protec is a very evolved disc detainer mechanism and is not susceptible to a picking attempt because the second you apply any kind of tension, the DBS (disc blocking system) will make all discs locks up so you cannot move them with the tip of the old fashioned disc detainer pick.

If the Protec was at all remotely pickable using that tool, Jaakko and or Barry would have already done it.

you seem determined though, so try it out and if you find something cool or revolutionary that other people haven't stumbled across, come back and share your findings.

Squelchtone

[sfi72]

disc detainer pick. I know everyone here says I wont be able to pick it with that pick, but the lock is a disc detainer and if Im going to try to pick a lock that hasnt been picked yet i probably ought to use a pick meant for that style of lock.

It has been...opened, in several different ways.