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Folger Adams Mogul

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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby Squelchtone » 8 Mar 2010 20:13

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fjardeson wrote:I've been looking for a MOGUL cylinder my self, they are quite hard to find.


Tuesday night (tonight) after 8pm (EST), I will be selling a Folger Adam Mogul cylinder (sorry, no key)

You all know where to search for it. It will be available Buy It Now.

Squelchtone



Since I posted last time, I managed to get a key for this Folger Adam Mogul cylinder... its up for auction now, you know where to find it.

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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby Squelchtone » 8 Mar 2010 20:29

rrkss wrote:I was looking at a breakdown of the Foger Adams Maxi Mogul lock and noticed that the key pins have ball bearings under them. Is this to reduce wear and tear from excessive key use like in a prison situation or is it more to reduce comb pick type attacks or is it something else?



Here's another breakdown for everyone's enjoyment.

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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby femurat » 9 Mar 2010 4:08

Yes, I enjoyed the breakdown. I always love them. Nice pictures btw.

Cheers :)
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby loather » 19 Jul 2011 16:33

I recently purchased one of these cylinders and it's proving difficult to pick. The warding is complicating my efforts. I might have to make a special tool.

Anyhow, I'd love to score a key for this cylinder. Anyone know where this might be possible or am I barking up the unobtanium tree?
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby Squelchtone » 19 Jul 2011 16:59

loather wrote:I recently purchased one of these cylinders and it's proving difficult to pick. The warding is complicating my efforts. I might have to make a special tool.

Anyhow, I'd love to score a key for this cylinder. Anyone know where this might be possible or am I barking up the unobtanium tree?


There are 2 flavors of these, the 110 and the 190. The 110 is in the pictures above, the 190 is the new keyway, also known as the Maxi Mogul. I saw some on ebay recently and people do sell the keys on occasion (all those weirdo guys who collect keys only pay like $50 per key) If your key however is for the 190E cylinder then those are harder to find, but ebay is still the place to fish around for them. Once you have the key though, you're doubly screwed because the pins inside probably wont match your key, even if you shift them around, and getting pins is next to impossible, unless you make your own out of metal rod.

Here's one on ebay now for the 110 cylinder: http://cgi.ebay.com/370523931971

Which one do you think you have? put some picks on photobucket and link them on here.

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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby loather » 19 Jul 2011 22:28

It's definitely a model 110 with an AR-type keyway - identical to the one in the breakdown pictures.

That auction for the key is like three times what I paid for the lock! :) I was hoping I could find a blank and file down my own key that matches the pin setup.

Thanks for the info - I'll look on ebay and see what I can come up with.

Any tips on what tool I should use to pick this? I'm having no luck defeating the warding.

Thanks!
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby Squelchtone » 19 Jul 2011 22:39

loather wrote: I was hoping I could find a blank


that's gonna be next to impossible. Normally these cylinders sell for $100 but for some reason this guy has a bunch for $10 each and nobody is bidding them up. I paid $20 something for keys before and was happy to do so, they're rarer than the actual lock cylinders.

I use a Bogota rake by Raimundo to open mine, they're fun to pick.
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now you have your motivation, hope to see pics of your picked soon!
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby loather » 20 Jul 2011 0:40

I'm fairly certain I bought one of his, then. I paid around $18 for it. Reason it went so cheap? Tarnished. What can I say? People like the shiny. Fortunately, I own brass polish. Mine's now as shiny as yours.

Anyhow, after futzing around with my Bogota and this lock for about an hour, I've come to the conclusion that it's simply not long enough to reach the fifth pin. I'll have to grind out a new one that's long enough to get the job done (and have a nice, comfortable wood handle to boot) and try again.

I'll post some pictures once I have it open!
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby bjornnrojb » 12 Sep 2015 13:53

According to some old timers in a locksmith forum I am a member of the original reason that they used to put ball bearings in corbin cylinders was because it was prohibitively expensive to machine pins that were conical on the end. It is far easier to machine cylindrical pins and put them on top of ball bearings.
They went back and forth about if it was because of that reason or because of reduced wear on keys and pins. I don't think they covered the impressioning prevention theory.
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Re: Folger Adams Mogul

Postby Raymond » 12 Sep 2015 21:53

bjornnrojb wrote:According to some old timers in a locksmith forum I am a member of the original reason that they used to put ball bearings in corbin cylinders was because it was prohibitively expensive to machine pins that were conical on the end. It is far easier to machine cylindrical pins and put them on top of ball bearings.
They went back and forth about if it was because of that reason or because of reduced wear on keys and pins. I don't think they covered the impressioning prevention theory.


About 30 years ago an old locksmith taught a class on the mogul cylinders. He regularly rekeyed them for the prison system. He explained that they always used 5/32" ball bearings and 5/32" brass rods. They just cut off a pin close to the correct length, smoothed one end and put it in the plug. They then filed the pin sticking out until it was close to flush. He then smoothed it outside the plug. In this day and age we cringe to think of this procedure but for that time it was 'standard process'.
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