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Corbin Emhart and Medeco

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Re: Corbin Emhart and Medeco

Postby Tyler J. Thomas » 20 Oct 2009 6:43

Bah, sorry mcm, but the paragraph I remembered in "Locks & Lockmakers of America" talks about the lawsuit Medeco had against a locksmith duplicating keys without a licensing agreement.

Best of luck with this article (I love reading TILJ, btw), only wish I could assisted you further.
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Re: Corbin Emhart and Medeco

Postby magician59 » 24 Oct 2009 15:23

raimundo wrote:Emhart is an interesting lock with the dovetail pin lockups that don't unlock until the pin is rotated, but this design is no longer in production I believe, and why its not in production may be because of a lawsuit, or perhaps the dovetail pins can rotate a bit while unlocked to the other pin as the key is in the lock turning, If this happened, and there are no forces that would actually cause this except the usual gremlins, you would have a key in the lock that could no longer dovetail with the top pin as they come together again after the key has turned,

One possibliity of what could rotate one of the pins would be some sand or something in the keyway, which would act when the key is turning.

The results of the lawsuit is that C/R isn't allowed to actively market the product. BUT they are indeed still produced. Just a few years ago, we built a new high school (I was working at the time as the school district's locksmith) that uses Emhart Removable Core and standard cylinders. Nifty system!
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Re: Corbin Emhart and Medeco

Postby Squelchtone » 24 Oct 2009 15:37

magician59 wrote:
raimundo wrote:Emhart is an interesting lock with the dovetail pin lockups that don't unlock until the pin is rotated, but this design is no longer in production I believe, and why its not in production may be because of a lawsuit, or perhaps the dovetail pins can rotate a bit while unlocked to the other pin as the key is in the lock turning, If this happened, and there are no forces that would actually cause this except the usual gremlins, you would have a key in the lock that could no longer dovetail with the top pin as they come together again after the key has turned,

One possibliity of what could rotate one of the pins would be some sand or something in the keyway, which would act when the key is turning.

The results of the lawsuit is that C/R isn't allowed to actively market the product. BUT they are indeed still produced. Just a few years ago, we built a new high school (I was working at the time as the school district's locksmith) that uses Emhart Removable Core and standard cylinders. Nifty system!



Thats good info man, but can you give a link to the actual lawsuit's language? A date, a state filed, who the plaintiff and defendant's were, etc. I think this is what we all want to see.

Thanks!
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Re: Corbin Emhart and Medeco

Postby mcm757207 » 25 Oct 2009 12:17

The information is still forthcoming, but I've gathered that if there was a lawsuit it was probably settled behind closed doors and might not have even made it to a formal court setting. Hence no info! We'll see...
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