Are pin tumbler locks becoming outdated?

[globallockytoo]

and therein lies the problem with smartkey and securekey products. You must replace the hardware to be able to use the cylinders. That's what they are banking on.

What are you talking about?

A SmartKey/Securekey deadbolt will retrofit in the 2 1/8" standard crossbore. Each deadbolt design is nearly always proprietary and you must replace the entire lock, usually, in order to switch to the new system. This is nothing new and doesn't indicate anything you're suggesting.

With that said, Kwikset offers a retrofittable cylinder for Baldwin mortise/handleset locks. Their 400 Series is still the exact same and new Smartkey cylinders can be placed in old/new designs. Schlage's going to be debuting the Securekey in new formats this week at ALOA.

You've got your facts wrong.

What I meant was, Schlage's previous iterations used replaceable cylinders, that enable conversion to higher security profiles like Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, Bilock etc. Retrofitting those types of cylinders into securekey hardware is not possible AFAIK. Kwikset always had their own style of cylinders so upgrading always meant replacing hardware too.

[Tyler J. Thomas]

and therein lies the problem with smartkey and securekey products. You must replace the hardware to be able to use the cylinders. That's what they are banking on.

What are you talking about?

A SmartKey/Securekey deadbolt will retrofit in the 2 1/8" standard crossbore. Each deadbolt design is nearly always proprietary and you must replace the entire lock, usually, in order to switch to the new system. This is nothing new and doesn't indicate anything you're suggesting.

With that said, Kwikset offers a retrofittable cylinder for Baldwin mortise/handleset locks. Their 400 Series is still the exact same and new Smartkey cylinders can be placed in old/new designs. Schlage's going to be debuting the Securekey in new formats this week at ALOA.

You've got your facts wrong.

What I meant was, Schlage's previous iterations used replaceable cylinders, that enable conversion to higher security profiles like Mul-T-Lock, Medeco, Bilock etc. Retrofitting those types of cylinders into securekey hardware is not possible AFAIK. Kwikset always had their own style of cylinders so upgrading always meant replacing hardware too.

I understand. My apologies, I misinterpreted.

I've only worked with a few SecureKey deadbolts but IIRC they utilize the same approach as the B series in that the KIK/KIL-esque cylinder is secured in place by a screw from the rear of the cylinder housing. I didn't bother checking comparability or taking measurements but if I had to guess it's very close to the old style. I seem to recall the tailpiece being a bit longer but then again, they redesigned much of their deadbolt assembly along with the SecureKey. It looks like I've got work to do next time I run into one of them.