maximus_xero wrote:Hi, I know this is an old post but I've been trying to open this lock off and on for weeks with no luck. I was hoping for a little help from the internet on this red dot Gougler keyless lock. The code on my shackle is 227. I can try and attach an image if needed. Thanks in advance.
- Tony
Try LRLR (Left, Right, Left, Right) 6-4-2-5
To prepare the lock for the combination, first turn the dial to the left several rotations (three or four times works for me). Stop on 0. You are now ready to do the combination.
Continue turning the dial left for six clicks. Turn the dial right for four clicks. Turn the dial left for two clicks. Turn the dial right for five clicks.
Pull open the shackle.
Let us know if that works for you!
Keep in mind that the combination is not by the numbers on the dial, but by the clicks you feel when turning the dial. The fact that the combination to these locks can be opened entirely by feel is the reason that several schools for the blind used them on the lockers.
Gordon
Gordon,
That combo worked like a charm! I got this when I purchased a padlock lot off eBay and it's has had me stumped since day 1. Thank you for the help and information. I can see this being a great tool for anyone who is blind or works in dark areas.
Hi everybody, I own some Gougler/Miller padlocks as I'm passionate with combo locks and they are amazing! I have one click combination red dot that I cannot open. I tried brute force supposing it was a 3 numbers combo, but neither LRL nor RLR worked. I guess it is a 5 numbers combo, so that brute force is not a viable option... 4123 is impressed on the shackle, while 393 is impressed on the case. Hope anyone could help! thanks a lot, Fausto
GWiens2001 wrote:Normally I'd be able to help, but the code on the shackle is outside my list. If you do get an answer elsewhere, please post it here so I can add it.
Gordon
Thanks Gordon! Seems like I'll have an hard work to carry on... I'll let you know if I come to a solution.
Hi Gordon, an ebay seller who own a locksmith shop have just made my day!!! It's a 5 digits combo, RLRLR. He suggested me it could have been ?-5-3-2-4 and I quickly found it is 3-5-3-2-4. Don't know how to thank him!!! ) See ya, Fausto
Issacane wrote:Hi Gordon, an ebay seller who own a locksmith shop have just made my day!!! It's a 5 digits combo, RLRLR. He suggested me it could have been ?-5-3-2-4 and I quickly found it is 3-5-3-2-4. Don't know how to thank him!!! ) See ya, Fausto
Thank you, Fausto! I'll make a note of it.
Gordon
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
So far, it the best info on the Gougler/Miller padlocks out there. I got a JB Miller last weekend at a flea market. #136 on the shackle, but the code to this number doesn't work. I watched some manipulation videos... and have been straining to hear the tiny differences between the clicks and chings inside the lock.
I like the cut-away models in teh videos posted here. Seeing the insides and the movement of the fence upward through the maze is interesting. I just can't hear it when it happens. I may have to drill a small hole for my scope to see the gate and then make a repair. The hole would have to be on the side--so as not to destroy the lettering on the reverse.
But I will try some more manipulation until I change my mind or go insane.
Peter Martin wrote:Yes... I am resurrecting this ancient thread.
lol.. a year isn't ancient.. I think we're ok with a year, heck maybe even two if the reply adds something useful.. it's the 5, 10, or 15 year resurrections that raise eyebrows.
Peter Martin wrote:But I will try some more manipulation until I change my mind or go insane.
I managed to decode a Gougler lock I have and am hoping I can make a method out of it. The lock has some indentations in the shackle and looks like someone tried to pry the back off, so I don't know if it'll work for any given lock. If I can open the two locks I have coming I'll let you know!
Peter Martin wrote:But I will try some more manipulation until I change my mind or go insane.
I managed to decode a Gougler lock I have and am hoping I can make a method out of it. The lock has some indentations in the shackle and looks like someone tried to pry the back off, so I don't know if it'll work for any given lock. If I can open the two locks I have coming I'll let you know!
It would be great if you are able to do so. Keep us informed!
Gordon
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
Peter Martin wrote:Yes... I am resurrecting this ancient thread.
So far, it the best info on the Gougler/Miller padlocks out there. I got a JB Miller last weekend at a flea market. #136 on the shackle, but the code to this number doesn't work. I watched some manipulation videos... and have been straining to hear the tiny differences between the clicks and chings inside the lock.
I like the cut-away models in teh videos posted here. Seeing the insides and the movement of the fence upward through the maze is interesting. I just can't hear it when it happens. I may have to drill a small hole for my scope to see the gate and then make a repair. The hole would have to be on the side--so as not to destroy the lettering on the reverse.
But I will try some more manipulation until I change my mind or go insane.
Pete Sioux Falls, SD
There is no real gate. The stylus is moved through a sort of maze.
Gordon
Just when you finally think you have learned it all, that is when you learn that you don't know anything yet.
GWiens2001 wrote:It would be great if you are able to do so. Keep us informed!
Gordon
Opened one lock! Now I'm working on a writeup/video while I wait for the other to arrive. I'll see if I can share a decoding out of the box, fingers crossed.
If I make a video, may I cite and include a short excerpt from the posts and video you made for demonstrating the internals at Keypicking? I'd overlay credit and include links in the video description, and anything else that you'd like.
OK! I opened the other padlock, and I'm a little more confident in the method's soundness, so I'll give a rough writeup.
I've had success visually decoding Gougler locks with hinged shackles by examining the pivot point for the stylus assembly, commonly attached to the shackle below and to the back of the shackle's pivot point. The size of the shackle cutout lets us peek inside at the edge of the stylus assembly, which moves as the stylus does, and whose direction tells us whether the stylus is moving up or down inside the labyrinth.
We can use the shackle code to get a rough idea of the probable combination lengths/directions, from GWeins2001. Then we zero/move to stop, and make a complete rotation in our chosen direction, noting the clicks that produce the most movement of the stylus assembly in an "upward" direction. After we're done, we take the most promising candidate, zero again, dial the candidate and move the other direction, using the same process.
Depth-first search, basically, and repeat until you feel the resistance that's the locking pawl being pulled back by the stylus assembly. (A sharp click may indicate that the position was overshot, and the spring of the pawl flung the stylus back into the bottom of the labyrinth.)
I made a (rough) video showing me decoding a three-move lock this way
