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Forever Lock bike lock

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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby Squelchtone » 27 Nov 2014 23:41

ok, great, now I want to convert one of my keys to a bump key and try it for myself. Looking at the key, I am not sure what I am going to use to cut the dimples deeper.. Dremel? any ideas guys?

interesting outcome, I was actually expecting Bosnianbill top bump it open just like Ollie did. I wonder why Ollie had such good luck bumping it.

Thanks for the video Marduk28,
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby mh » 28 Nov 2014 0:53

I guess that's because Oli D. is indeed quite good at bumping and many other lock manipulation techniques.
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby asgardschosen » 30 Nov 2014 2:46

Aww I just found the video of the "forever lock", it's such a cool idea and design! Maybe they can incorporate a sidebar or magnet to make it more difficult/impossible to bump.
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby nite0wl » 5 Dec 2014 11:40

Squelchtone wrote:ok, great, now I want to convert one of my keys to a bump key and try it for myself. Looking at the key, I am not sure what I am going to use to cut the dimples deeper.. Dremel? any ideas guys?

A Dremel with one of the carving/routing heads might work, if you need a sharper slope you might want to try a hardened tip drill bit (a drill press would probably be the best tool regardless of what bit or cutting head you are using).

Squelchtone wrote:interesting outcome, I was actually expecting Bosnianbill top bump it open just like Ollie did. I wonder why Ollie had such good luck bumping it.

I have seen some speculation that Ollie was pushing the end cap (or whatever that piece is called, the one that the 'bow' of the key slots into and contains the 'knob' on the end) out between each strike which isn't particularly visible in his video, BosnianBill didn't seem to be doing anything to pull the key back between strikes. I have also seen... less charitable speculation about Ollie's video but I am going to go with it being an issue of technique and unhelpful videography.
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby Barthel » 8 Dec 2014 17:53

even the disc Zylinder Bordo has been Pumped by Polenschlüssel.de (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiLSj84sGPQ) so you need 1/20000'snd skilled! guys to bump it andwell Olly is a MASTER in bumping (and some other methods) so due to the fact that lock (in oposite of Cryponite/Abus Locks) isn't well known in Germany... it provides GREAT resistance (compared to the Locks where you have to take the schackle completeley off) to all kinds off attack. OK Abus/Cryptonite are addinge rotating internatls, hardnet casing and all that stuff... but in the end, if I#M able to get it off the piece it's tied too... in my garage i'll get it opend no matter What it is ;)
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby Divinorum » 17 Dec 2014 20:49

Deviant Ollam has made an interesting video in which he made a working key (without foil) for two different forever bike locks by accident while trying a foil impression attack. He also successfully foil impressioned one of the two locks.



Behind the scenes footage of foil impression

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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby Squelchtone » 18 Dec 2014 14:40

Fellow locksport picker and friend Deviant Ollam of TOOOL.us has written up his findings to accompany the videos, you can read more here: http://enterthecore.net/foiling-the-forever-lock-by-deviant-ollam/

Enjoy,
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Re: Forever Lock bike lock

Postby Divinorum » 18 Dec 2014 18:27

Squelchtone wrote:Fellow locksport picker and friend Deviant Ollam of TOOOL.us has written up his findings to accompany the videos, you can read more here: http://enterthecore.net/foiling-the-forever-lock-by-deviant-ollam/

Enjoy,
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Thanks for sharing this Squelchtone. Much more comprehensive =)
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