SFIC with a Schlage C keyway?

[lakemartin]

Any new information on this thread? I also need a SFIC core that'll take a Schlage C key. In the past 3 or so years since this was posted has anyone come up with one?

[GWiens2001]

Sorry, lakemartin. No SFIC in the Schlage C section.

Gordon

[billdeserthills]

Any new information on this thread? I also need a SFIC core that'll take a Schlage C key. In the past 3 or so years since this was posted has anyone come up with one?

You can get a LFIC in Schlage C, just swap the mortise cylinder

[lakemartin]

Thanks for the update and help. Is there a SFIC that will take an Everest C120 key? if I could find that it would solve my problem. Trying to key KS41 Schlage pad lock

[Squelchtone]

Thanks for the update and help. Is there a SFIC that will take an Everest C120 key? if I could find that it would solve my problem. Trying to key KS41 Schlage pad lock

Have you considered talking to your local Allegion (they own Schlage) rep to get a definitive answer or to a locksmith at a brick and mortar shop that is an authorized Schlage dealer?

From this site: https://us.allegion.com/en/home/products/categories/key-systems/schlage-interchangeable-core.html

SFIC cylinder keyways

Everest 29™ R restricted keyway
Factory master keying available
Upgrade legacy Everest key systems

Everest 29 R, S and T keyways are backward compatible to the legacy Everest B, C and D keyway families respectively.

[lakemartin]

I did speak with my local lock smith(who handles Schlage). There answer was they did not think so but were not sure. I got the feeling for one lock they did not want to bother with it. So I thought I would ask here before driving to another town to try.

[Squelchtone]

I did speak with my local lock smith(who handles Schlage). There answer was they did not think so but were not sure. I got the feeling for one lock they did not want to bother with it. So I thought I would ask here before driving to another town to try.

So I have a feeling what you are asking for does not exist for one simple reason. The key blade as well as the pin diameter and depth and spacing is too big to fit into SFIC format. Which is why Schlage has their FSIC full size IC cores available in all manner of C keyways but only their special 29 keyway for SFIC as well as BEST A2 keyways.

Are you pretty sure your padlock is SFIC and not FSIC or LFIC ? maybe show us a photo of it to be sure

or if this is just for a single padlock, perhaps time to just buy another padlock that can take the core and keyway you already have keys for

LFIC padlock
https://www.americankeysupply.com/produ ... e-gms-6354

C123 C145 LFIC cores for that padlock body:
https://www.americankeysupply.com/searc ... s=gms-lfic

Seems like you might be chasing a unicorn..

Squelchtone

[GWiens2001]

Schlage does make SFIC locks in several Everest keyways. But not in the C keyway. And when they use an Everest keyway, it is tip stopped, like all SFIC cylinders.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

Schlage does make SFIC locks in several Everest keyways. But not in the C keyway. And when they use an Everest keyway, it is tip stopped, like all SFIC cylinders.

Gordon

are they full size key blades Gordon? I imagine they have to be smaller versions, even if the keyway profile is an Everest. Correct me if I am wrong, and I very well might be here, but isn't the SFIC plug diameter smaller than a normal plug?

Thanks for clarifying it.
Squelchtone

[demux]

Schlage does make SFIC locks in several Everest keyways. But not in the C keyway. And when they use an Everest keyway, it is tip stopped, like all SFIC cylinders.

Gordon

are they full size key blades Gordon? I imagine they have to be smaller versions, even if the keyway profile is an Everest. Correct me if I am wrong, and I very well might be here, but isn't the SFIC plug diameter smaller than a normal plug?

Thanks for clarifying it.
Squelchtone

The Schlage SFIC systems use the same DSD as the standard A2 system. See page 12 of Schlage's service manual here:

http://www.lsamichigan.org/Tech/Schlage ... 8230-1.pdf

They only offer SFIC in the B series keyways on the original Everest and I think the R series on the Everest 29 system. I don't believe either is available in Primus. I've only handled Schlage SFIC stuff once or twice and did not have the opportunity to thoroughly measure it, but using A2 DSD should result in a smaller key as both the space and depth increments are smaller than Schlage standard.

[GWiens2001]

I’ll have to measure the blade on the keys for my Schlage Everest SFIC. The keys looked the same, except for the cut to make it tip stopped, IIRC.

Gordon

[Squelchtone]

I don't know if this helps at all but I saw this with a B123 keyway on ebay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHLAGE-80-036 ... 3914828686

and this with a B235 keyway on ebay from same seller
https://www.ebay.com/itm/SCHLAGE-80-036 ... 3914828686

and this claims to be a C keyway, but I don't think it is
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Schlage-80-033 ... 4043629049

Thanks for tip stop info GW, and the keyway tips demux.

Squelchtone

[GWiens2001]

Hard to tell because of the angle of the picture on that one that claims to be a C, but it looks like it might be a TC.



Gordon

[jeffmoss26]

all of the above is correct.
Schlage SFIC is B or R end user restricted keyways ONLY
Everest 29SL is similar to keymark where one key can fit SFIC, mortise, rim, KIL in the above keyways

there is no SFIC in anything fullsize. the pins, chambers, cuts...all too big.

[cledry]

Schlage does make SFIC locks in several Everest keyways. But not in the C keyway. And when they use an Everest keyway, it is tip stopped, like all SFIC cylinders.

Gordon

I think ASSA uses a shoulder stop on their Maximum + cores. I know the same key can be used between SFIC and regular mortise, kik etc. They also offer cores for Schlage FSIC, as well as Sargent, Corbin, Yale LFIC. It is a fairly universal system.