Cross-lock

by **Shrub** » 24 Sep 2005 16:40

Either post and let them be deleted if wrong or pm someone, im no expert but i would try my best to help,

Ive just been looking through the advanced bit and cant find anything there on them either :wink:

by **illusion** » 24 Sep 2005 17:00

well it seems that i stand to lose nothing..

it could be picked with standard picks, but would require a specialised tension tool... something about a thin hollow piece of tubing and grooves in certain places... i really couldn't claim to know any more... except that it may perhaps bear resemblance to a certain circular tool... :wink:

by **Shrub** » 24 Sep 2005 17:07

If you can get tension on as you say its suspected you can single pin pick them or rake eack row in turn,

A tensioner could be made from some tube that is either bent properly or just hammered into an old lock to get the form,

It was my understanding that a 3 or 4 pronged (depending on lock) tool that has a little curl inwards on the ends can be used to rake each row all at once, this is supposed to be the easiest and quickest method,

Ill have a look through the hpc catalogue and see if i can find a pic of the pick

by **Shrub** » 24 Sep 2005 17:18

Some links you may have missed,

viewtopic.php?t=5309&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cross+pick

http://www.lockpicks.com/index.asp?Page ... ProdID=302

viewtopic.php?t=3820&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

by **illusion** » 24 Sep 2005 17:35

totaly correct... as i said before by modifying existing tools you can improve usefulness... but i suggest you look at the tension tool which is used with the Dino cruciform picks... it is interesting

the curls are self explanitory: they maintain the cross shape of the pick even if put under preasure.. such hadware is not needed though.. something to do with the large variety of different pins, or rather small.. i forget :wink:

i know i have just violated my claim that i would not comment on picking it, and for that i apologise

by **Shrub** » 24 Sep 2005 18:03

Well if all this is still here in the morning we know we've done nothing wrong.

by **digital_blue** » 24 Sep 2005 22:52

Well, I'm just one lowly mod, but I don't really have a problem with discussion of these locks. I mostly see them in knock-off auto clubs (ie: The Club knock-offs). I suppose that's sort of automotive discussion, but I don't really see a prob with it. I'm pretty sure I posted my experiences with a different auto anti-theft device in the public forums and I don't remember catching any flack about it.

db

Edit: Yes, I did post this in the public forums:
viewtopic.php?t=7836&highlight=unbreakable

by **TOWCH** » 24 Sep 2005 23:11

It seems like you could just use two normal tension wrenches and swap them as needed.

by **wtf|pickproof?** » 25 Sep 2005 5:17

I picked one of those using regular picks. And even if you have to pick them 4 times you should easyly be done in less than 3 minutes. this is due to hight tolerances and few different sizes of pins (at least at the one I've got). Well I guess it's still more secure than those with disc locks in it. :shock:

by **raimundo** » 25 Sep 2005 8:37

Make a pick Take two 7 inch long sweeper bristles, bend them together to a 90 degree angle, put a round tool handle inside the angle and bend them til the ends are parallel, (the tool handle keeps the inside piece from folding sharply and cracking,) clamp a locking plier down hard on the stack of 4 ends, leaving about the length of a key blade and a twist , and bind the 4 pieces together tightly, then make all of them twist by using two locking pliers clamped down hard, and make a 90 degree twist in all four pieces at once, with enough flat metal past the twist to file picks from, (you need to keep about half an inch between the pliers when twisting to give the metal room to shape without shearing. This will leave two double ended pieces that nest perfectly because they were bent together, You can put diamonds or mulitple diamonds, on the ends of these. they can be made to carry flat as they were bent, and then quickly made into cruciform with a keeper that is fitted behind the twist. of course sanding is the key to making them work.

by **blade_runner** » 6 Oct 2005 17:00

I once read a book about allied officers escaping from German prisoner of war camps during World War II. One of the camps they were in had cruciform locks like this on the doors. The author talked about the prisoners picking them and even forging keys, but he never described how it was done. It always seemed to me like it would be an incredible feat to make keys for them from scratch.

by **Shrub** » 7 Oct 2005 4:34

If im remembering right they are a differant lock than these :wink:

by **blade_runner** » 9 Oct 2005 21:27

Different, yes. Since this is a car lock, I think he said. But the same basic idea, they described it as four regular pin tumblers stuck together. Still, like I said, I can't imagine how you would make the keys from scratch, just the blanks would be quite a challenge.

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