What did you pick today?

[GWiens2001]

RED ALERT!!! RED ALERT!!!

Do not pick a lock you don't own, do not pick a lock that is in use and/or depended on! If the lock failed due to picking, you could not secure your belongings, or the apartment that you rent, not own. The apartment manager would not be happy with you.

Still... glad it did not take long to open. What kind of lock is it?

Gordon

[GWiens2001]

Please excuse my sharpness. It is just that the first two rules are the two just broken. It is for your best interest that I tried to get your attention.

[vinnie]

it's a Weiser. Considering they're my belongings that it's locking, it's my risk not the owners. And I'd replace it if it broke. He wouldn't actually care anyways. and it's the lock to my personal door, not to the main door.

But I've never heard of a lock breaking from being picked. except if you break something off in the lock that you can't get out or you picked it enough the pins have been worn down enough so the key doesn't work.

[MBI]

But I've never heard of a lock breaking from being picked. except if you break something off in the lock that you can't get out or you picked it enough the pins have been worn down enough so the key doesn't work.

It happens all the time.
Browse around the forum, you'll find dozens of posts from people looking for help because they just broke the lock to their home/office/shed/dorm etc and are desperate to get it back in service before anyone finds out.

Just two weeks ago, I ran a lockpicking workshop at a convention and had around a couple hundred people stop by to learn to pick over the course of the day. I had 36 practice locks at the start of the day. By the end of the day, I had 30 that were still functional. Six had kicked the bucket, and these were decent quality KIK cylinders with brass plugs and housings, not zamak. Two are completely, and probably permanently out of commission. Four no longer work, but I'm guessing I can probably get them back into service after disassembling and rebuilding them.

[atticRR]

to the poster a few before me: totally possible to jack up a lock with picks, the front door of the house i moved out of didnt work too hot and it worked fine before i got into picking. heed the warnings, here there be truth.

I picked my shiny new Commando lock. Only once with my bogata+TOK tension, Im glad i took a picture because i havent yet replicated this feat with a rake or by SPP. I like this lock a lot, its interesting that it has no spring that throws the shackle open (due to the interchangeability of said shackle)
well, heres the lock lurking, commando like, in my dark living room:

[zeepia]

Nice job AtticRR

I did try to rake these earlier with no success. But your post got me trying again...



At first I got only 3-4 pins with rake and finished with hook, but finally succeeded with only bogota.

That other commando lock (government) has some Harry Potter spell on it, it doesn´t feel at all this easy.

[atticRR]

nice one zeepia, i still cant get mine open SPP- actually i feel like ive lost my SPP touch

I did open the assa i traded with you though-after trying and trying I drilled out stack 6&7, worked it some more and finally raked it open. As is usual for me I lost the security pin lottery (i always do), and all mine had was std pins and masterkeying. And as you can see i lost a spring. well, i didnt lose it, im just storing it somewhere in my garage to the left of where i sit!

[GWiens2001]

I like your storage area in the garage, atticRR. Same location in mine also is retaining parts, keeping them safe until I find them.

I also opened my ASSA SCD from Zeepia. Think you and I did not entirely miss the security pin lottery. It was tough to pick the lock open. Ended up doing an overlifting attack in order to make it work.


Does anything look funny to any of you in this next picture? Looks like somebody forgot the key pin, driver pin, master wafers and spring in the second hole.
I was wondering if my special storage area had claimed new parts, except I was on the kitchen counter. Then I saw the obvious; no wear marks from the drivers rubbing on the plug as the lock was operated. That area was almost new.


And looking at the picture again of the plug, the second hole has no wear and no dirt. Quality control was asleep that day. Also figured that there were only standard pins and master wafers. Then I look inside the plug, and saw exactly what I see in yours... countermilling. Of exactly the size to let those master wafers catch and hold! The last picture shows that both of us had our plugs countermilled in holes 1, 2, 4, and 6.


Due to the countermilling (first I had seen using master wafers to operate), I thought it was cool. This will go on my keeping list. Will practice opening this without the overlifting attack to try and improve my SPP skills.

Thanks Again, Zeepia!

[globallockytoo]

It was probably a maison keyed system. It was/is very common to find that in maison keying.

[zeepia]

Good job in getting them open! You guys still had a bad luck. I have opened two of mine, here are some pins from them. Don´t remember what was the original pinning order.



Left lock´s plug had counter milling in 2,4,6 and right one in 1,2,4 and 6. The first hadn´t any small master wafers and the other had only a few.

Have to give that overlifting attack a try...

[femurat]

those are what I call security pins

I guess you mean reverse picking attack, overlifting it's something else...

cheers

[GWiens2001]

Femurat,

Thank you, reverse picking attack. I did not overlift as in a comb attack, just lifted all the key pins over the shear line, applied enough tension to hold them there, then lightly raked them as I let off tension gradually until the plug turned. More accurately, until it didn't turn and had to retry again. And again. And again.

Thank you for telling me the correct term.

Gordon

[femurat]

you're welcome. many people confuse the 2 terms. I did that too

[rerun]

Not nearly as impressive as some of the locks in this thread but I am happy to say that after months of this $10 brinks marine lock sitting in my unpicked box, I gave it a go today and it finally gave. I tell ya, for a cheap padlock brinks can give me trouble sometimes. Very small key way, had to make a custom wrench and I think that's what finally did it. Most satisfying click I've heard in awhile

[Josh66]

rerun - It took me a while to pick that one too. Good job.

Have you tried again? On mine, it was much easier once I 'learned it's tricks', lol.



Picked this a couple times today:
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I keep trying to SPP it, but haven't been able to yet. I can rake it open in about a minute...