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Need A Good Challenge!! Whats next to pick??

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Need A Good Challenge!! Whats next to pick??

Postby noorudeenshakur » 26 Oct 2005 4:21

Hi there, Well I've honestly run out of fun things to pick.

Sadly Ive progressed to that point where regular old locks simply dont cut it anymore. I havent had a lock I cant open in under a minute..so I need some new locks.

Here's what Ive mastered.

quickset
weiser
schlage 5&6 pin
sargants 6 pin
Corbins 6 pin

and all the run of the mill padlocks filing cabnets anything else that I could get my hands on.

funny enough I have a schlage door knob cylinder that I just cant seem to get. I dont know whats the deal with that I dont have a key so it may well be damaged. Ive never seen it turn so who knowes if it even works. I found it at work in the basement in a box of old junk.

Anyways....no im not looking for medico's I have a few and its just not possible for me to defeat these. I admit defeat to them.

Anyways, I've mastered spool pins, but have no experience with serrated and mushrooms.

Can you guys recommend some good locks to progress at?

I've been watching flea bay and scoped some kaba peaks, but got out bid by you guys in here....man dont you guys ever go broke?....yea especially you orianaudio, dogbone and the few others Ive seen regular but I gotta say...you huys are a sellers best friends....without members from here they would be getting squat for their locks.

Anyways I thought some old assa locks may be a good challenge but they are very rare, and I only see the assa twins mostly...and they are useless for my needs.

Anyways Any suggestions....Ive never managed to see any brinks shroudeds come up, perhaps Ill score some locks for sale or trade. Ive got a few medico's, one biaxial mortise one schlage key in knob, both with keys, some schlage mortise cylinders yale mortise corbin mortise for trade aswell, all have keys and all show signs of bumping as Ive bumped them all too......many many times but all the ones Im trading are still in good shape cylinders turn smoothly etc.

Anyways I'm open for some suggestions or trades.


I'm bored silly.....and nothing I have is challenging anymore they all open up in under a minute usually under 30 secs under 10 with some. I'm just getting too good at picking now...and this is all with my little feeler pick...no raking.

Sigh.... I'm soooo sad.....the joy and challenge is gone...I need new locks.......soon.........its like an itch that I just cant seem to scratch....I hate it!

Ok lets hear some ideas guys
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Postby chopitup » 26 Oct 2005 4:26

I know you said no to the medeco, but... try a medeco keymark. It's NOT biaxal and it IS pickable, it's just made somewhat difficult by the shape of the keyway, which is pretty restrictive. From what I hear, you need to make a shallow pick out of piano wire to best defeat them.

http://pre-lock.com/keymark_by_medeco.htm
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Postby Chrispy » 26 Oct 2005 4:35

Tubulars, abloys, bilocks, lever locks. You've got heaps of choices.
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Postby noorudeenshakur » 26 Oct 2005 4:39

hey they look pretty cool!

My feeler pick is VERY thin, so I think i can get away with it.

What type of pins are in these locks? Anyone know?
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Postby noorudeenshakur » 26 Oct 2005 4:45

Chrispy how the heck are ya?

Sorry I forgot to mention Ive got the tubulars cornered too with the exception of the ACE2 flex locks. They are pretty simple with my tubular picks, although I have yet to get the opportunity to work on those really strange looking 5 pin crazy offset ones. I saw one the other day on a vending machine and wished I knew what the hell it was. Ive never seen a tubular like that or have any idea what kind of offset it was it was really uneven and strange looking.

Bilocks are still outta my league I think. You can see the natural progression Ive made so far so I need something that caters to that..something that can take me up to the next level.

I dont have the disk lockpicks so I cant try abloys. Levers..kinda boring.... Dont have the picks for Mul-T-locks either...oh yeah I forgot I also have a few mul-T-lock interactive padlocks to trade too they have 2 keys each and unsigned keycards.

I was hoping for some with very restrictive keyways and a mix of spool serrated and mushroom pins. I have no experience with mushroom and serated so I want to get my hands on some of these to play with. Spools are very easy for me to recognize when I encounter them and once you know they are spools picking is really easy. I dont know why they are called pick resistant honestly. They dont really offer that much resistance to me...I really am not trying to comeoff like Im good or anything...Im not...its just that ive run out of locks that challenge me. I've grown past the novice level now. I'd consider myself at the intermediate level. I LOVE PICKING and I love a challenge but one that I can do I dont like to set myself up for failure. I do need to feel that cylinder turn...oooh I enjoy it...lockpicking...my drug of choice.

Perhaps Ill relook at bi locks its been awhile since ive looked at them. Last time I saw them they looked way way outta my league.

Sadly....locks seem to be opening far to easily nowadays...so Im chalking it up to muscle memory.

By the way...How the Heck is everyone???

It's been a long time I havent been online. Busy at school, life...work etc.

Good to see you guys again!
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Postby Wade » 26 Oct 2005 21:02

Whats your trick to picking that schlage lock with the spools? I try my schlage deadbolt lock every once in a while, but am not very enthusiastic about it because I can never get it. It doesnt seem like any pins ever set, they just spring back down and piss me off. Any advice on the schlage with spools will help.

-Also I have a Medeco Metrolock 52-5 thats a beach- try it, it should give you a run for your $$$
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Postby digital_blue » 26 Oct 2005 21:50

I find I have better success with most standard Schlage cylinders if I pick them counter clockwise. The tension wrench sits nicer. :)

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Postby Wade » 26 Oct 2005 22:42

Im guessing you use a plug spinner after you do this?
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Postby n2oah » 26 Oct 2005 22:54

noorudeenshakur wrote:oh yeah I forgot I also have a few mul-T-lock interactive padlocks to trade too they have 2 keys each and unsigned keycards.


Welcom back, noory!

Hmmm... What do you want for them? I guess you were the one outbidding on eBay, eh?

Next? I'd recommend something with security type pins.
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Postby digital_blue » 26 Oct 2005 23:43

Wade wrote:Im guessing you use a plug spinner after you do this?


Well, typically the lock is in my hands when I'm picking it, so it wouldn't matter. But I would think that whether I need a plug spinner would depend on which side of the door the lock was installed on, wouldn't it?

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Postby noorudeenshakur » 27 Oct 2005 2:51

The only advice for picking a cylinder with spools is to use almost ZERO tension on the wrench. They arent like regular pins. You will feel the bottom pin sorta stick, and not want to move up for you. This is classic feel of when you encounter a spool, youll also feel the pins set WAY to easily like the cylinder wants to give but it doesnt.

Picking a lock in a door is much harder than in my hands. I honestly dont really enjoy it as much because of the uncomfortable position Im forced to adaopt while picking. If you had a cylinder with spool pins in you hand you would be able to feel what was going on better and would be easier for you to pick.

Are you sure that the schlage in your door has spool pins? Chances are if its an older schlage it doesnt have them. It just may seem difficult because its in a door and picking in those positions makes it more difficult in general.

As far as I know schlage only started using spool pins on residential locks in the last few years and only on their higher end residential locks. I may be wrong, but thats the impression I was under. I know the schlage locks on my house dont have spool pins.

The key is learn how to recognize how a spool feels when you're picking it. They are very easy to recognize once you know the way they feel. And the key is when you know you are dealing with spools is to uise almost no tension

You will actually feel the tension wrench resist and move the opposite way you are applying tesion as the spool pin sets into place, then it will move back to the direction it was. This is very noticable for me when picking the last spool pin before the cylinder gives.

A good way to start is getting you hands on some schlage locks, and pinning 2 or 3 pins with spools and work on picking 2 or 3 pins before you move to 5.

It doesnt take long to pick them once you learn how little tension is required. Its amazing how little tension is required to keep the set pins from falling back down. It really isnt any tension at all. I cant stress that enough.

Sometimes the set pins do fall down after they have been set because tension is so light but with patience they will all set, one by one by one. I find I start by using the flat end of the pick and pushing them all up and down a few times. this usually sets one or 2 right off the bat, then I go in and set each remaining one.....one at a time.


They arent much harder than regular pins once you get the feel for them and understand how little tension to use, honestly I think you could just use the weight of the tesion wrench to set the pins......Im kidding but it really isnt that far from how little tension to use. Otherwise they just bind right up on you. You can tell when they binded because the bottom pins just dont push all the way up they wont raise easily, you need to let off the tension, move the feeler pick side to side on the bottom pins trying to sort of wiggle that spool pin to go upwards and set.

Its hard to explain how to pick a spool, you just learn how by doing it. A cutaway lock with spool pins would also be a great way to learn how to pick them and the feel of them.

Once you know the feel, they are soo easy to spot in a lock, and once you know you are dealing with spools its not hard to pick. You just use almost no tension. They sell feather touch tension wrenches but you dont need one at all. I prefer to feel whats happening through the vibrations of my own home made wrench.

Good luck.

Hey N2oah how are ya buddy!

Ya...its all of you guys who are outbidding me on ebay. Many I wanted that assa demo kit last week with the cutaway profile cylinder. The winner go a great del on it. THat cutaway is worth 200 us alone. If cash wasnt so tight because of my other hobbie, (high end audio) I would own them. But I gotta say, I'm very happy with my new westone UM2 headphones. These things are sooooo sweet. They were my consolation prize and cost the same amout as those locks went off for, 280 usd.


Ps.....did I mention the secret to picking spools is using VEY LIGHT tension......lol

PS.........use light tension :D
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Postby Lowtech » 28 Oct 2005 3:59

Wow, a man of few words :lol:
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Postby noorudeenshakur » 28 Oct 2005 5:44

Lowtech wrote:Wow, a man of few words :lol:


lol

yeah just making up for all the time I was away. :wink:

That and I like to help whenever I can.
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