Spanish made "Yale" Deadbolts KW10/A1176ST

[Jryanruch]

This is my first post, so, "Hi everyone" and please don't flame me if this has been discussed already -- I did try the search function, once.

I am an apprentice locksmith (two years on the job in Dec/06). Last week I was sent to an open up on some newer townhouses and I encountered a "Yale" deadbolt with the Titan/Kwikset Keyway. I found it had 6 pins, spooled drivers, and I could not get the pins to bind in either direction while picking. Even my thick tension wrench would not produce a clean bind (never mind bouncing a light one). Anyway, I ended up finishing the job using a different method.

Has anyone encountered these before? Have you been successful picking them over?

Regards,

J. Ryan Ruch

[cheesehead]

I found a "yale" lock at a local retail outlet . I was excited, and hoping that it would give me a chance to experience picking a european style keyway. I was wrong. upon further inspection it was mearly a kwikset knock off. I bought it anyway, and lo and behold it did have a spool pin, but only one - so it wasn't much of a challenge...
I'm curious as to how you got the lock open. pick gun?

[maxxed]

Has anyone encountered these before? Have you been successful picking them over?

Regards,

J. Ryan Ruch

I have done several, I don't remember any being extremly difficult. Now that I have said this I will probably get one tomorrow that requires the 18 volt Makita rotary pick.

[Jryanruch]

This was slightly different than the regular Yale/Titans with one spool pin. I've seen those and had success with the pick gun/plug spinner combo.

The keyway was set a little deeper into the cyclinder and the cylinder had absolutely no give in either direction. I worked with manual and pick gun + teflon for 15 mins before resorting to the other method. Maybe I should have given it longer (or just had a crappy bitting to work with).

The guys in my company have seen a couple and just say, "It isn't worth the time to pick, they're unpickable, deal with it without picking it." To which I guess in business time=money and they're right. I just want to know for my own practice if there's something I'm missing: a clutch device, active retainer etc..

There are a few ways to bypass deadbolts, I'm not sure a lock picking forum is the right place to discuss them.

Regards.

[maxxed]

Perhaps one should carry a bump key for this lock, just another meathod of attack to open difficult locks

[zaphod_beeblebrox]

A friend of mine has a YALE 4-pin eurocylinder. It's very dirty, and not a very good lock. However, we experience the same thing. The first 2 pins bind, but then... nothing.... It's the strangest lock I've ever experienced! It's just a bl**** 4-pin, and I can't open it. There doesn't seem to be any spool drivers or anything in it. Just the fact that it doesn't want to bind. Very strange indeed. This might be solved by cleaning it though, as it is very greasy and dirty and old.
Owned by an old 4-pin