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Double locking mechanism

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Double locking mechanism

Postby toiletplumber » 26 Jul 2006 9:47

I'm having a hard time finding this with search so basically does this term mean anything? I have read the back of some locks and they claim "Double locking mechanism for superior pick resistance!" but all I have been looking for is spool pins since I'm a newbie. Should I be concerned with this at all?
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Postby Varjeal » 26 Jul 2006 9:58

Double-locking, in terms of cheap padlocks, means little to nothing in terms of pick resistance. In terms of other types of locks the term often means that the plug or key must be turned two revolutions in order to lock/unlock. It may also mean that their are two rows of pins (in higher quality locks) and in this case would correctly mean added pick resistance.
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Postby parapilot » 26 Jul 2006 10:06

Nothing a good plug spinner won't sort out :D
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Postby pinsetter » 26 Jul 2006 10:30

I'm having trouble understanding your description.

On padlocks, double locking mechanism usually translates to a locking bolt that engages both sides of the shackle. In the packaging description it should say "Double locking mechanism for added pry resistance" or something similar. This has no affect on picking difficulty.

If it's something other than a padlock, then that could mean that it has dual locking mechanisms such as a pin tumbler/sidebar combo. If this is the case then it will greatly increase the pick resistance. This will also significantly increase the price of the lock, so you won't find cheapo locks with this type of security, or at least I haven't.
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Postby pinsetter » 26 Jul 2006 10:36

parapilot wrote:Nothing a good plug spinner won't sort out :D


???? :shock:

How?
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Postby Shrub » 26 Jul 2006 11:12

pinsetter wrote:
parapilot wrote:Nothing a good plug spinner won't sort out :D


???? :shock:

How?


You need to read Varjeals responce, double locking usually means the lock has to be turned twice to achieve the full lock position or a dead lock position,

A spinner obviously over shadows this by picking the lock then spinning it pas the pin stacks for the second turn.
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Postby lockedin » 26 Jul 2006 11:26

Double locking mechanism can also refer to double locking levers. Meaning the the shackle is locked down on both sides.
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Postby illusion » 26 Jul 2006 12:54

Actualy, the term is most often used to describe the locking dogs that grip the shacklr to keep the padlock shut. The single locking mechanisms, as seen on Master No.3's, and combo locks, have a latch on one side, and are very easy to shim. The double locking mechanism, as seen on the bigger Tricircle padlocks use two locking dogs to secure each side of the shackle.

Not to be confused is double ball locking mechanism which uses ball bearings to secure the shackle - these cannot be shimmed.

That clear it up? :)
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thx for the help

Postby toiletplumber » 26 Jul 2006 14:46

idk thx for the input. I just kept seeing padlocks with this written on the back and I was wondering. I also saw things that said "5 pins lock tumbler system for maximum security" and I had to laugh, there was nothing about spool pins or anything but they try to word it so it sounds like a super lock.
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Postby pinsetter » 26 Jul 2006 15:30

If you're looking for a padlock with security pins either get a Brinks 6 pin shrouded shackle padlock or an American brand padlock.

The Brinks can be picked up at Wal-Mart for around 11 bucks.
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Postby Shrub » 26 Jul 2006 15:51

Ah now you mention padlocks its clear, maybe think about that next time :wink:

It is in that instance as already said before, the double catch on the shackle,
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Postby !*AMP*! » 27 Jul 2006 18:01

well, you know, the manufacturers are probably thinking, "Hey, these people will really buy our locks if we tell them it has balls LOL. Some serious locks there 8) .
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