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by Schuyler » 31 May 2007 23:01
what a beautiful walkthrough of a very cool lock.
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by What » 31 May 2007 23:01
I want one....
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by TOWCH » 31 May 2007 23:19
I was hoping someone would do more with micro-lever locks. The main pivot with alternating levers over a double sided disc lock key. No inherant antipicking advantage to it. Just Effing cool. This lock would lend itself to dual access nicely I think. They should put a ward down the center and make half blanks and start marketing these to banks as SD locks.
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by Eyes_Only » 31 May 2007 23:21
One of the few things I understood out of all that was that they called the sidebar a locking bar.
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by Mutzy » 1 Jun 2007 5:21
I understood 'PR Cylinder". Go me.
Anyone here with (at least) basic knowledge of whatever language that is?
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by Raccoon » 1 Jun 2007 6:10
Well, the language was pretty obviously Japanese, but I heard at least 4 or 5 borrowed english words if you listen closely.
Though a very cool cylinder, it just seems way too expensive for something like securing a wooden door. I also question how drill resistant it is compared to big chunky pin tumblers. Will that sidebar hold up to a torque wrench?
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by blake1803 » 1 Jun 2007 7:09
Raccoon wrote:Though a very cool cylinder, it just seems way too expensive for something like securing a wooden door.
A wooden door with a window right next to it, no less!
I've had some trouble finding greater detail about the expense and specifics of the lock itself, but after Googling around a bit I found this: http://www.miwa-lock.co.jp/lock_day/cyl ... ndex.html#
It's the lock in the middle, yeah? Assuming the 17,500 refers to the price in Yen, that's around $150US.
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by Eyes_Only » 1 Jun 2007 9:43
To me it resembles a Abloy type disc lock kind of. But then I know very little about those types of locks to begin with so thats probably not an accurate comparison.
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by BobbO45 » 1 Jun 2007 10:06
While it's a double sided key, it looks to me like both sides are the same, this simply allows it to be inserted either side up.
Also, thats a lot of moving parts that look like they would wear out quickly in any high-traffic lock. Quite expensive too.
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by Schuyler » 1 Jun 2007 10:26
Eyes_Only wrote:To me it resembles a Abloy type disc lock kind of. But then I know very little about those types of locks to begin with so thats probably not an accurate comparison.
nah, I woulda make that comparison
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by keysman » 1 Jun 2007 11:13
Miwa lock is imported by Miwa USA
http://www.keycontrolspecialists.com/index.cfm
KCS is a division of Miwa USA
I am sure they can help you find a sample of that lock
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by samfishers » 1 Jun 2007 14:47
i too would go whit abloy
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by mh » 1 Jun 2007 15:45
samfishers wrote:i too would go whit abloy
Even more similar is the DOM Diamant.
In Anloy-style locks, the discs are turned whne you start turning the key.
In the DOM Diamant system (and that Miwa PR lock), the discs or wafers are turned when the key is inserted.
Cool marketing material, though, I wish all lock manufacturers did that type of animated demonstration.
Cheers,
mh
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by JackNco » 1 Jun 2007 16:49
Very nice walk through. i don't think i missed anything without an English version.
Eyes_Only wrote:To me it resembles a Abloy type disc lock kind of. But then I know very little about those types of locks to begin with so thats probably not an accurate comparison.
It reminded me of the Ingersoll lever packs. but with added "bull horns" to interact with the dimples instead of cuts on the side of the key pushing them. then again i have become slightly obsessed with the Ingersoll and could be talking rubbish.
It also has some very nasty looking cuts on the <insert proper name for the bits that move about> so bumping or any other bypass i can thing off would be out.
cheers for submitting
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