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super easy to pick!

Postby AndreasK » 12 Nov 2007 13:49

take a look at the tri-circle 265.
http://www.q-locks.com/product/img/tri- ... 1-l265.jpg
"on the far left"
i just started picking locks as a hobby 1 month ago and all the locks i had at home whare assa and abus i know those are hard to pick. so i went to my llocal hardwaere store and got the bigest chepest lock i cud find. i walked out with a chinese Tri-Circle 265 in my hand. as soon as i got home i started picking.
to my big suprise it poped open after like 15 secunds wow!
now i can open it almost instantly :D with any of my picks including my keyextraktor. i strongly recomend this to any beginers out there.


sorry for my bad spelling :lol:i am happy to hear any response
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Postby AndreasK » 12 Nov 2007 13:55

oh and picks may get stuck in in this lock if that happens you need to push the pick slihtly further in and then pull it out to get out. :)
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Postby Timtam » 12 Nov 2007 22:58

'Grats on picking your first lock!
As you said, most of the time the cheaper locks will be a lot easier to pick, as they will be made to a lot lower quality.
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Postby Darrell557 » 13 Nov 2007 0:44

It's kinda funny that you got one that was so easy to pick the first time. The first padlock that I bought to practice on had a security pin in it ... I'd be able to pick it once in a while (I just got lucky). Then I bought a Masterlock #3 and was able to open that thing in about 3 seconds ... needless to say, I was amazed at the difference. I guess I should have done some research as to what lock to buy for the first time. :)
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Postby FFVison » 13 Nov 2007 1:23

I had the same experience as Darrell. My first lock was a master 141 brass lock which I believe had security pins, though I could be wrong. I tried for several hours before I got it to pop. I remember as soon as I felt that wrench turn, my eyes grew to the size of dinner plates. Well, that was a very hard lock to start off with. My second lock that I tried, I don't remember even what it was (I lost it a while back) but I popped it in like 30 seconds... It took me longer to get it out of the packaging than it did for me to pick it. To be quite frank, I felt a little ripped off and cheated that it wasn't challenging. But I have seen these tri-circle locks in a few places though I haven't seen them for sale, so I haven't actually tried opening one. I may have to though, even if it is easy to open. I think it's a good idea to get a feel for all kinds of locks and what they feel like to open. For example, some locks have a spring at the back of their cylinder (thinking Brinks R70 here), some locks don't. Some locks have very firm springs. Some locks have a very difficult to find sheerline. Every lock has its own unique personality. I found this out too late and now I have spent probably a little too much on locks specifically for picking. My girlfriend makes fun of me, though I guess all isn't lost just yet... At least I still have a girlfriend :P and she still puts up with my obsessions.
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Postby AndreasK » 14 Nov 2007 5:43

thanks i am happy to hear that you are happy for me :D
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Postby ObiWonShinobi » 14 Nov 2007 23:18

Darrell557 wrote:It's kinda funny that you got one that was so easy to pick the first time. The first padlock that I bought to practice on had a security pin in it ... I'd be able to pick it once in a while (I just got lucky). Then I bought a Masterlock #3 and was able to open that thing in about 3 seconds ... needless to say, I was amazed at the difference. I guess I should have done some research as to what lock to buy for the first time. :)


The thing is, people new to the sport might not have found
people like us yet, to let them know which ones are easier.

But to start with, I would not recommend getting the
absolute EASIEST one to open...
you wont learn anything.

"Look, I stick it in the hole and wiggle, then it pops!"

Get a few cheap ones..... 3 or 4 of the $3-$6 locks
Helping hand sells some easy ones.....
The brass one is toooooooooooooo easy
(see above quote)
Get the one covered in black plastic, it compares to
a cheap master #3 but is $2 cheaper.
A beginner can pop it in 30 sec to 5 min easy.
(the brass can be popped with the tension wrench alone)

helping hand can be found at you friendly neighborhood Kroger.

Funny, they are made by a faucet company.....
no wonder they turn so easy........
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Postby AndreasK » 15 Nov 2007 1:48

Dude i live in sweden we don't have "Helping hand" here but we do have some other places where i am going to get sume padlocks. :D
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Postby collector » 17 Nov 2007 13:31

These cheap Chinese Tri-Circle locks already open when I look at them.

Please try to get better locks to practice. You won't learn anything from these.

There are good quality Shandong Tri locks but you won't find them outside asia; we only import the cheap stuff.
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Postby AndreasK » 17 Nov 2007 13:55

yes i know i will get a few new ones soon.
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Postby heelflip_kid » 17 Nov 2007 15:39

That's interesting you were able to open the Tri-Circle so easily. I have a Tri-Circle 263 (smaller body and shackle) and it has been giving me trouble. I have popped it several times, but nothing consistent. From what I've read from some other posts, Tri-Circles have a "personality" of sorts - that either make them a piece of cake, or a big headache. I guess I got the wrong one :-)

I'm happy you were able to open it so easily - were you able to tell if it had a security pin in it? I'm almost convinced mine does...
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Postby AndreasK » 17 Nov 2007 15:45

these locks can be anoying if you don't have a big enugth tenision wrench. And it is all just standard pins :D to my big delight.
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...too easy, damaged?

Postby jeremy2 » 25 Nov 2007 19:27

I just bought a few locks for practice, I can't find a name for the door knob (Keyed Entry, was listed on the package) I'm talking about here, it's not even on the instructions. It was a cheap lock but still took me a while to pick at first.

I started practicing raking with different tension wrench forces. My pattern was to put the pick all the way in, then pull it out and let up on the tension wrench to see how many pins I was able to set w/ one pass. I did this numerous times. Now I can pick it very quickly (I rake once then use the pick to catch remaining pins) ...but I don't feel like I've developed any skill off of it. I feel like the raking/scrubbing maybe damaged it to the point where it is now absurdly easy to pick.

Is this possible? What are the long term effects of repeated raking/scrubbing?
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Postby LeeNo » 28 Nov 2007 20:05

FFVison wrote:My second lock that I tried, I don't remember even what it was (I lost it a while back) but I popped it in like 30 seconds... It took me longer to get it out of the packaging than it did for me to pick it. To be quite frank, I felt a little ripped off and cheated that it wasn't challenging.

LOL! That is exactly what happened to me :D
My first lock was a discarded Master #21 (it was hammered off the cable TV junction box in my apartment complex and was still lying next to the junction box after the maintenance people replaced the hasp and put on a new lock). I thought maybe the lock was broken and that is why they didn't just re-use the lock when they put on the new hasp (the lock wasn't compromised, the hasp snapped right off and was still attached to the lock).

I must have worked on that lock for hours. The frustrating thing was that I was never sure that the lock still worked. I felt sure that it did because each pin felt good and I could feel them lifting and snapping back down.

Anyways, after a couple nights of not being able to open it, I went to Target and bought a cheapo ($4) brass padlock and was able to open that in only 20 seconds or so. Feeling stoked, I bought 3 more locks the next day (a Master #3, Master #141 and one of those small front-opening padlocks with a shim-protected hasp). The #3 popped right away. The 141 has a wicked keying that I haven't been able to get past with my picks (I need to get a very thin hook and SPP it). Forget the front-opening lock, that keyway is tiny.

After being able to open the brass lock and the #3 consistently in only 3-5 seconds most times I turned my attention back to my #21 and got it open after about a minute! I WAS SO STOKED! I was finally able to get the remnants of the hasp off that lock!

OK, so I ordered a Shlage Kryptonite KS22 from eBay and I was hoping it would arrive last night. It didn't and I wanted a "real" challenge now that I had beaten my other locks so I went and bought a big beefy Masterlock #5 and couldn't wait to try it out. I struggled with that *&(#$@(&*#() plastic covering and it must have taken me a good 30-40 seconds to get the lock out of the packaging without damaging the cardboard insert that contains the lock info (I keep those as a sort of list of locks I have opened).

So I get it out of the packaging, unlock it a few times and notice the key opens in either direction. SInce the #3 opens better CCW than CW, I tensioned it to open CCW and slowly inserted my rake while applying very light but bouncy tension on the wrench while I worked the rake in and it popped before I even had to pull the rake back towards me!!! It was as if the rake WAS the key!

I was surprised. I relocked it and was able to do it consistently.

I felt sort of ripped-off too :D Here I buy an $11 padlock and it opens so easy.

Well, my Schlage KS22 did arrive today and just holding it in my hands feels different. This lock feels well made. When I tension the plug and softly rake, I feel a finely-tuned machine instead of a jangly pile of nuts and bolts :D

I want to get this thing open at least once before I re-pin it prior to beginning dimension blue's single pin picking tutorial.
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Postby jgor » 28 Nov 2007 21:36

LeeNo wrote:I want to get this thing open at least once before I re-pin it prior to beginning dimension blue's single pin picking tutorial.


I hope it's as good as digital_blue's single pin picking tutorial :wink:
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