Kwikset question

by **ADDBoy** » 25 Jun 2004 23:24

Hey guys! This is my first post on this site, but I've been reading up a lot on lockpicking on these message boards and around the web. I ordered the 12 (or 14, can't remember)-piece pick set, due to arrive Monday, and went out to buy a lock to practice on.

Now, I went to Lowe's, and the only brand they offered were Kwikset and another brand that was slightly more expensive. I picked up the least expensive Kwikset deadbolt (a basic deadbolt, for mobile homes, I believe) with the lowest security rating (Level 3 ANSI rating); however, it stated on the front that it was "Pick Resistant - 5 pin system".

Is this lock going to be too difficult for me? My girlfriend and I couldn't decide if it was truly pick resistant, or if it was just claiming it; they had the same message plastered on every Kwikset lock there, and I didn't feel like going to any other stores. I ended up buying it, but I can always return it before I open it up.

If you believe that it is too difficult for me, can anyone suggest a better lock for me in about the same price range ($12)?

Thanks

by **logosys** » 25 Jun 2004 23:30

ADDBoy wrote:Hey guys! This is my first post on this site, but I've been reading up a lot on lockpicking on these message boards and around the web. I ordered the 12 (or 14, can't remember)-piece pick set, due to arrive Monday, and went out to buy a lock to practice on.

Now, I went to Lowe's, and the only brand they offered were Kwikset and another brand that was slightly more expensive. I picked up the least expensive Kwikset deadbolt (a basic deadbolt, for mobile homes, I believe) with the lowest security rating (Level 3 ANSI rating); however, it stated on the front that it was "Pick Resistant - 5 pin system".

Is this lock going to be too difficult for me? My girlfriend and I couldn't decide if it was truly pick resistant, or if it was just claiming it; they had the same message plastered on every Kwikset lock there, and I didn't feel like going to any other stores. I ended up buying it, but I can always return it before I open it up.

If you believe that it is too difficult for me, can anyone suggest a better lock for me in about the same price range ($12)?

Thanks

No, it's actually a perfect starter/learning lock. It employs a basic pin-tumbler system with loose tolerances. If you want my advice, take out 4 of the pins (leaving just 1 stack left) and pick that 25 times, then 2 stacks, pick that 75 times, 3 stacks 100 times, 4 stacks 100 times and 5 stacks until you just can't stand it anymore and can pop the lock open in under 30 seconds every time. Then, rearrange the pins, and pick that until you can get it under 30 seconds each. Keep doing that, over and over. Before you know it, you'll have a good feel for the lock and your tools.

Best of luck, keep us updated on how you're doing. If you run into any problems, search around here and try to find an answer. If you can't find one, ask us - we'll be happy to help ya!

by **ADDBoy** » 25 Jun 2004 23:43

No, it's actually a perfect starter/learning lock. It employs a basic pin-tumbler system with loose tolerances.

Heh I'm such a newb, but I was wondering what you mean by a "loose tolerance"? Thanks ^_^

by **Chucklz** » 25 Jun 2004 23:49

With the 2, 3, 4 pin set ups, the more you pick these, the more "feel" you will develop at first. I would even suggest going back from 5 to 1 pins. You will probably find you feel much more on "the way down". Also, consier rearranging the pins in the lock. They key wont work anymore, but who needs stinkin keys?

by **logosys** » 26 Jun 2004 1:03

ADDBoy wrote:
No, it's actually a perfect starter/learning lock. It employs a basic pin-tumbler system with loose tolerances.

Heh I'm such a newb, but I was wondering what you mean by a "loose tolerance"? Thanks ^_^

The holes aren't drilled to a precise line (so as to cut costs), so the pins "bind" much more distinctly. Be sure to print out a copy of the MIT guide and do some of those excercises as well.

by **Eyes_Only** » 26 Jun 2004 16:02

Im not really farmiliar with the ANSI ratings but as far as I know kwiksets does not have a truely pick resistant 5 pin lock available at any hardware store Ive heard of. I guess they claim to be pick resistant regarding ppl who dont know what they're doing and armed only with a paper clip. You shouldnt have anything to worry about

by **PickslikeRodenbarr** » 27 Jun 2004 7:38

Youll have no problem with this piece of crap. Any kind of quickset is perfect for a beginner. YOull have no problems on it.

by **mcm757207** » 27 Jun 2004 12:25

PickslikeRodenbarr wrote:Youll have no problem with this piece of crap. Any kind of quickset is perfect for a beginner. YOull have no problems on it.

I would say that. Kwikset makes some higher quality stuff (such as titan and others), and while still not that great I bet I could rig a kwikset with high-low config in a titan cylinder and you might have a hard time with it

by **PickslikeRodenbarr** » 27 Jun 2004 17:03

mcm151201 wrote:
PickslikeRodenbarr wrote:Youll have no problem with this piece of crap. Any kind of quickset is perfect for a beginner. YOull have no problems on it.

I would say that. Kwikset makes some higher quality stuff (such as titan and others), and while still not that great I bet I could rig a kwikset with high-low config in a titan cylinder and you might have a hard time with it

A quicksets a quickset.

by **funboy79015** » 27 Jun 2004 19:17

I agree with mcm a Kwikset Titan with high-low pin configuration is not the place for a beginner to start. The spool pins alone would cause problems for someone who lacks experience.

by **Mad Mick** » 27 Jun 2004 19:32

Someday, a Kwikset will come back and bite you in the a$$ when you have an audience in attendance, then you will be eating an extra helping of humble pie.

Agreed, they are generally easy........but there'll always be a difficult one. :wink:

by **HeadHunterCEO** » 27 Jun 2004 20:05

PickslikeRodenbarr wrote:
mcm151201 wrote:
PickslikeRodenbarr wrote:Youll have no problem with this piece of crap. Any kind of quickset is perfect for a beginner. YOull have no problems on it.

I would say that. Kwikset makes some higher quality stuff (such as titan and others), and while still not that great I bet I could rig a kwikset with high-low config in a titan cylinder and you might have a hard time with it

A quicksets a quickset.

how wrong you are

by **ADDBoy** » 27 Jun 2004 22:47

Heh everytime I see "A Kwikset sucks" I get a slight twinge of pain, because I actually work for Black and Decker :lol:

Granted, I have nothing to do with the Kwikset subsidiary, but still, I wish their locks were better. Gotta have company pride

by **lockcsi** » 28 Jun 2004 1:41

Kwikset used to suck... Titan got a litle better.... now i think they are on to something with Society Brass .... better than most baldwin and all schlage... in terms of quality not tolerance or keyway restrictiveness.
-LC

by **007** » 1 Jul 2004 18:54

Heay ALl

I have them kwicksets door knobs and deadbolt and can't get'em to open any advice..
I get a few pins but thats it.

I got the pad locks down but need to move on to the house hold sets.
HELP?
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