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by darkk » 21 Apr 2008 21:51
This just came with a Ruger 10/22 I bought not too long ago. At first when I took it out of the box with the gun I wasn't quite sure what it was until I saw the lock. It's basically just a thick U-shaped piece of steel that slides through the action and is secured with a padlock. Of course the padlock that is included is garbage (took me about 6-7 seconds to pick) but if used in conjunction with a decent padlock this seems like it would be much harder to destructively remove from a firearm than a typical cable lock.
Here's the lock and steel piece next to a traditional cable lock:
Here's how both the new lock and the traditional cable lock attach to a firearm:
Like I said, the lock it comes with is garbage

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by bumber » 22 Apr 2008 0:06
these locks are NOT ment to be hard to open they are made to be put on guns to help keep guns from hurting children. They are only there to make getting the gun to shoot harder...
You SHOULD NOT pick these AT ALL if you put them on your guns and you have kids in the house....
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by darkk » 22 Apr 2008 0:10
bumber wrote:these locks are NOT ment to be hard to open they are made to be put on guns to help keep guns from hurting children. They are only there to make getting the gun to shoot harder...
You SHOULD NOT pick these AT ALL if you put them on your guns and you have kids in the house....
First off, let me assure you that I do not use these to secure my firearms, they are in a safe. Plus I don't have any children in my household.
The point I was trying to make is that this type of mechanism seems to be the most resistant to physical attack compared to traditional cable locks or trigger locks.
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by Safety0ff » 22 Apr 2008 0:11
bumber wrote:You SHOULD NOT pick these AT ALL if you put them on your guns and you have kids in the house....
I think you should think about what you just said. I know what you're trying to say, but what you did say didn't make much sens.
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by bumber » 22 Apr 2008 0:34
Safety0ff wrote:bumber wrote:You SHOULD NOT pick these AT ALL if you put them on your guns and you have kids in the house....
I think you should think about what you just said. I know what you're trying to say, but what you did say didn't make much sens.
So yea I ment exactly what i said, if you have kids in your house(or more to the point, anyone who is unsafe with guns  ) DO NOT PICK THESE LOCKS IF THEY ARE MENT TO BE USED ON GUNS....
the reason I say that is you may pick it, messing it up and go to put it back on your gun and some kid(unsafe person  ) gets it and the lock pops off 'cause its broken...
but since this person doesn't have kids in the house, and puts there guns in a safe thats not an issuse...and i didnt understand at the time it was a post about physical attacks...since there was picking involved in the posted attacks.....you should be able to see the confusion.
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by darkk » 22 Apr 2008 0:38
To add to my original post, I've seen cheap cable locks cut with wire cutters and trigger locks popped open with bent pieces of metal. If a child was to try hard enough I'm sure they cut most cable locks without much effort or pry off most trigger locks with a screwdriver. When used with a decent lock I don't see any feasible way a child could get something like this off a gun as easy as the others. If I can find the trigger lock that came with my GSG-5 I will post a picture of it to show just how bad some gun locks can be. That thing is a complete and utter joke, it is made entirely of cheap plastic and seems like pulling on it hard enough will break it in half. Even calling it a "lock" is giving it too much credit.
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by bumber » 22 Apr 2008 0:52
well that kid that is going to pry off that "lock" and cut those cables will be the kid that gets out bolt cutters to cut anything you put on it with a shackle type lock. There are still going to be ways around getting these "locks" off but those cases are not too common compared to how many "unloaded" guns sitting in dressers that kill kids every year...
My point was just dont do something to damage a lock on a gun that could cause someone to get hurt....nothing more nothing less 
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by ShanePicklefish » 22 Apr 2008 0:56
*in Mr. Mackey voice* guns are bad, m'kay
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by Safety0ff » 22 Apr 2008 1:01
I still think the design can be improved, just look how bulky that thing is for nothing. I'll try and think up a better design in my sleep so that I can release it in the forums so that someone can make oodles of money off my idea.
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by vrocco » 22 Apr 2008 7:53
ShanePicklefish wrote:*in Mr. Mackey voice* guns are bad, m'kay
I don't even think you can joke about that in Texas Shane. They are going to kick you right out of the state. 
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by Alchemic_Revolt » 22 Apr 2008 9:54
vrocco wrote:ShanePicklefish wrote:*in Mr. Mackey voice* guns are bad, m'kay
I don't even think you can joke about that in Texas Shane. They are going to kick you right out of the state. 
In the words of a red neck on the radio in the famous Grand Theft Auto 3 "Guns don't kill people.. death kills people..."
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by Abus » 22 Apr 2008 17:29
Interesting to me that it is a Ruger lock that's got some potential. They used to have some very, very poor quality locks, and had to recall http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml01/01148.htmlnearly all of the ones produced from 1987 to 2001.
I have one of those one around somewhere, which is so poorly made that you can shove a small paperclip into the keyway, wiggle and open it, no tension tool or pick required.
Frankly, the lock doesn't bother me as much as Ruger's handgun cases, at least for the .22LR pistols that require the pistol to be stored with the bolt closed, and with one of the two provided magazines IN the gun. Much better to allow, or even require the bolt to be open to close the case, and put a storage slot for the extra magazine.
Even that isn't as bad as the Glock "Tupperware" box that had a post that pushes the trigger when the gun is inserted.
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by n2oah » 22 Apr 2008 19:32
Props to the responsible gun owner in this thread. 
"Lockpicking is what robbing is all about!" says Jim King.
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by eurolock fan » 23 Apr 2008 1:47
Speaking of gun locks has anyone seen the new Glock internal gun lock? Its a dimple lock and it can even be masterkeyed.
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by raimundo » 23 Apr 2008 9:51
the photo seems to show an automat klashnikov and one of our .223 types, no 10/22 at all, the lock is only a master padlock susceptible to all that it is, bolt cutters to picks. the piece seems to somehow block the clip from being put in, effectively makeing the weapon a slow loading single shot.
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