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by wizedan » 26 Apr 2008 15:54
What's the name of this type of lock that goes with the key pictured below:

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by mh » 26 Apr 2008 16:03
tubular
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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by keysman » 26 Apr 2008 16:17
Ace or often called tubular
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by wizedan » 26 Apr 2008 16:41
thanks guys
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by Kaotik » 26 Apr 2008 17:43
Tubular is indeed the correct term, but I have also heard them labeled as Circular and Barrel locks too.
It's basically all relative to the type of keyway used for those locks. The keyway is circular which uses a tubular or barrel shaped key to unlock it.
That kind of reminds me of the tension, torque and torsion wrench thing. 
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by WOT » 26 Apr 2008 17:53
There's a website that shows the different pinning arrangements 5, 6, 7 pin arrangement etc.
does anyone have link to a site showing depth and spacing info on tube keys?
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by Safety0ff » 26 Apr 2008 18:59
Don't forget "axial pin tumbler."
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by dougfarre » 26 Apr 2008 20:36
Safety0ff wrote:Don't forget "axial pin tumbler."
Don't forget about the axial wafer locks that predated everything, like the Bramah, which eventually inspired the tubular design.
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by eurolock fan » 26 Apr 2008 21:03
When was the bramah invented?
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by n2oah » 27 Apr 2008 0:31
eurolock fan wrote:When was the bramah invented?
They were patented in 1784.
First publicly defeated by A.C. Hobbs at the Great Exhibition of 1851 (I did a paper for school on Bramah locks)
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by linty » 27 Apr 2008 6:20
there are also still axial wafer locks in production. I know at the very least they are in use by canadian fire fighters in lockboxes. supra makes them.
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by raimundo » 27 Apr 2008 10:34
The original patent may be under the ACE name there are a number of variatins in diameter makeing for different keyways that exclude other keys, look on the blanks for numbers like 136 or 137 and if there is a letter like l for large or s for small,
they come in the common 7 pin centered, and the 7 pin left and right offsets, and the 8 pin, there are picks for each of these, but instead of buying the picks for the offset seven pin locks, just buy the 8 pin version it will do both offsets.
You may find youself needing the 7 pin centered fairly often, but the requirement for the offsets does not often come up
Some variations of the lock will have mixed strong and weak pins, (ACEII)
and sometimes you may find that a smaller steel pins is placed between the tumblers, this pin will not move and is more of a way of warding the keyway.
Until 1998 this type of lock was used to secure the triggers on British Nukes, (use search terms, bike lock and british nukes to see the BBC report.)
In 2004 or 05, the bic pen exploit in which these could be opened with a plastic pen or even a rolled up business card caused Kryptonite to recall millions of bike locks.
Hope this helps.
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by vitti » 27 Apr 2008 14:45
while on the subject, what is this guy doing in this video. He's using a Peterson tubular lock pick but he keeps messing with the thumb screw for the fixed/tension finger while picking the lock.
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by mh » 27 Apr 2008 14:50
seems to be an inside joke between you, John and Ricky? Care to explain?
"The techs discovered that German locks were particularly difficult" - Robert Wallace, H. Keith Melton w. Henry R. Schlesinger, Spycraft: The secret history of the CIA's spytechs from communism to Al-Qaeda (New York: Dutton, 2008), p. 210
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