Picked my first lock today!!!!!!1

[shadowknight]

Just got m MPXs-14 yesterday and i spent all day trying to pick a Master lock 140--- In school i did it lol i was bored in class to i did some attempts got down to like 30 seconds but i have not mastered it yet ;(

MY new goal is to pick a master lock 21. They have the same amount of security pins but what is so diffrent. I made an attempt on one but my tension tools do not seem to work on it.. I have 4 out of my pick set and none were big enough

Looks something like that any help would be useful on what to do in the mean time im going to Youtube some videos

[ToolyMcgee]

So you finally decided on a set. Hope they work out well for you. Sounds like if you picked a 140 on your first day you are having pretty good luck with it so far. I don't believe the No21 has any security pins in it, so it should be a breeze.

Pay attention in school instead of picking locks. I don't doubt there are lots of teachers who would love to confiscate a lockpick set from a student reguardless if he was picking his own lock on his own time or not, and that would suck.

[jgor]

Haha yeah, remember that in school many of your rights magically disappear and there's a good chance your tools will be confiscated.

I've seen a few Master no.21's and as far as I can tell they're just a clone of the ubiquitous Master no.3. It's a standard 4 pin lock, well below the level of a Master no.140 with security pins.

[ToolyMcgee]

Just to chime in and be a pain the 21's can actually be ordered from the factory with a 5 pin cylinder.

[jgor]

Ahh, good to know. I'm going to assume they all still come with standard pins though, should still be a step down from the 140

[shadowknight]

the thing is like the 21 is weird.. lol like it has these like ball things at the bottom it Makes picking it ALOT harder. I am unable to find a tension tool in my set that fits . So i tried making one out of a paper clip ..(failed).

So what do u suggest i use as a tension tool if all the ones i have are too small? like it doesnt apply the pressure i need

[jgor]

Try using more than one tension tool, or combining a paper clip with a tension tool to take up more space. On a lot of locks with a warding on the left I have to stick a paperclip under the warding so my tension wrench doesn't slide up under it and apply the wrong tension.

[shadowknight]

lol ok ty its really hard to do this wne i don have a 21 to practice on so i have to drive around looking for one lol if a cop stops me and im trying to open a lock how much trouble could i get introuble for it in mimai fl ? if isay o im trying practicing my new hobby lol

[jgor]

Wow, where to start.

I was under the impression you had your own Master 21 that you were practicing on. DO NOT try to pick a lock that you do not own or have express permission from the owner to pick. DO NOT pick a lock that is in use. If you are caught picking someone else's lock by a police officer, there is a very good chance you will be charged with a felony.

This hobby does not need or want people who use their skills inappropriately, even if there is no malicious intent. I hope your post was meant as a joke, but I don't want to take any chances, this message needs to be clearly imprinted in your mind if you want to succeed at this hobby.

[shadowknight]

ok ;( So i checked my local Stores for Masterlock 21's and none carry it.... Where can i get one for cheap where i can practice on it

[ToolyMcgee]

I was going to ask you if there was a removable plate for cylinder replacement because obivously that isn't a master cylinder with little balls at the bottom you bought from a store or the factory. Now I see why, you are trying to pick a constuction site lock, so it makes sense to me now. It doesn't really matter where it's at, Jgor said it already. I just feel I have to throw in my two cents.

How would you feel if someone picked the lock to your house and just came and went as they pleased? Brought thier own food, hung out and watched TV, didn't take anything or mess up the place, but just generally made themselves at home and left before you returned. Even if they never took a thing, and you never found out about it, does that make it ok with you? Do you think the owner of that lock would be ok with you messing with it even if you don't break it or steal it. Do not tread this line.

Your wink tells me you that maybe you don't care what is ethical and you are going to do what you want anyway. Also, you think maybe people here are doing the same thing, but you are wrong. It is your responsibility as a new picker to set a good example. Especially since you are picking in class showing off to your friends. How would you like to be someone's inspiration, maybe even teach them how to pick, and have them go on to rob your girlfriends parents house or even just get busted picking a lock on a park gate and go to juvy for it? I hope you would feel partially responsible, because you would be if you led them to believe this kind of line stepping was acceptable behaviour. I hope this was a new picker one time screw up kind of deal. Don't prove me wrong.

If you are looking for a Master 21 like the one you were trying to pick you aren't going to find it like that off the shelf. If you just want a 5 pin master cylinder to practice on then the 15 has one, as do some of their other larger laminated locks. Go to their website and they have a breakdown, or just look at the key and count the pin cuts to see how many they have. As has been previously mentioned though it would be a step down from a 140 unless it was some kind of pro series master. I say try one of the 40mm little brass brinks deals for 3 bucks at Walmart. More difficult than the 140 because of the more narrow keyway, even though they don't have serrated pins and are all spools -1 standard pin stack. If you get a crazy key biting they can prove to be tricky little locks to pick consistently. Good fun.

[shadowknight]

I was going to ask you if there was a removable plate for cylinder replacement because obivously that isn't a master cylinder with little balls at the bottom you bought from a store or the factory. Now I see why, you are trying to pick a constuction site lock, so it makes sense to me now. It doesn't really matter where it's at, Jgor said it already. I just feel I have to throw in my two cents.

How would you feel if someone picked the lock to your house and just came and went as they pleased? Brought thier own food, hung out and watched TV, didn't take anything or mess up the place, but just generally made themselves at home and left before you returned. Even if they never took a thing, and you never found out about it, does that make it ok with you? Do you think the owner of that lock would be ok with you messing with it even if you don't break it or steal it. Do not tread this line.

Your wink tells me you that maybe you don't care what is ethical and you are going to do what you want anyway. Also, you think maybe people here are doing the same thing, but you are wrong. It is your responsibility as a new picker to set a good example. Especially since you are picking in class showing off to your friends. How would you like to be someone's inspiration, maybe even teach them how to pick, and have them go on to rob your girlfriends parents house or even just get busted picking a lock on a park gate and go to juvy for it? I hope you would feel partially responsible, because you would be if you led them to believe this kind of line stepping was acceptable behaviour. I hope this was a new picker one time screw up kind of deal. Don't prove me wrong.

If you are looking for a Master 21 like the one you were trying to pick you aren't going to find it like that off the shelf. If you just want a 5 pin master cylinder to practice on then the 15 has one, as do some of their other larger laminated locks. Go to their website and they have a breakdown, or just look at the key and count the pin cuts to see how many they have. As has been previously mentioned though it would be a step down from a 140 unless it was some kind of pro series master. I say try one of the 40mm little brass brinks deals for 3 bucks at Walmart. More difficult than the 140 because of the more narrow keyway, even though they don't have serrated pins and are all spools -1 standard pin stack. If you get a crazy key biting they can prove to be tricky little locks to pick consistently. Good fun.

[shadowknight]

LOl wow i messde upfor some reason what i typed didnt get posted. BUt yeah i wouldnt like if some one were to do that in my house. And i understand where your comming from. I meant to put a instead. I just want to learn how to pikc a master lock 21 because my school uses that would be cool to know how to pick it. IM not planning to steal or anything and i dont show off in class i dont wanna encourage people to get into picking for the wrong reasons either. As a new member to the forums i hope to shed light on other new pickers who do not kno much that they need to be cautious on what they do. ANd i will certainly keep that in the back of my mind. Another reason why master lock 21 i thought would be hard is because the security guards said (Which i dont believe) if you are caught with a master lock 21 and you do work for a big company you can be thrown in jail........... idk sounds bs to me.

[ridinplugspinnaz]

If the reason you're getting into lockpicking and looking for a particular type of lock is "because your school uses it", then don't be surprised when the other members on this forum (many of them security professionals) are suspicious of your motives... and rightly so, in this case. Let's take a moment to look at what you wrote in your other thread:

Topic: Picking a Masterlock # 21

I want to pick a lock that i have for practice for emergency uses like if i loose a key i can pick. I saw alot of youtube videos and people were using Key bumpers. but idk wat the hell that is but its soo cool so if you guys can Give me a list of things i will need to pick this lock and if "MPXS-14- Lock Pick Set with Metal Handles" will do.

In that other thread, you claimed that you own the Master 21 that you're trying to pick "for emergency uses", but we know of your own admission here that not only do you NOT own it, but it belongs to your school. In fact, it looks like you're just trying to break into this lock as quickly and easily as you can. I can't speak for the management here, but if this were my forum, I would have banned you outright for soliciting information on illegal entry.

If you're serious about taking up locksport for personal enjoyment, then my advice to you is this: stop worrying as much about specific lock types, and work with what you've got for now, which apparently is a Master 140. As ToolyMcgee mentioned earlier, the difficulty level of that lock already exceeds that of the Master 21. In the meantime, read read read. There are tons of great resources here geared toward the beginner, and understanding them beforehand is the best way to ask informed questions when you have them.

If, however, your intent is just to learn how to gain entry to places that aren't yours, frankly I suggest you leave now; this forum is most certainly not the place for you.

[shadowknight]

Where did i saw i own it? .... I said Ill use this skill for emergencys if i loose A key... I own master locks just nto 21.. I see the master lock 21 every wher ei go its like haunting me... I dont intend to do bad things its just ITS FOLLOWING ME like every where i go i see one.... I wanna learn to pick it just to know i can pick it.. Im not trying to gain entry into like a secret room or anything i just want to learn how to pick that lock.

And thank you but i am still confused on how 140 is harder than a 21... I tried a 21 one dark night seeing if i can do it and those little balls on the bottom prevented me from doing anything.. 140 is pretty easy. guess i will become a master of the 140